Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name in RD draft
peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl> Wed, 09 May 2018 08:03 UTC
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From: peter van der Stok <stokcons@xs4all.nl>
To: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name in RD draft
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Hi Hannes, I share your concerns, But there are some additional aspects. for 3rd party registration the con= is used. con= will also be used to indicate alternative transports. Suppressing con= seems really a waste in this stage. On the other hand, even suppressing con= for third parties, the anchor attribute also permits to refer to third parties. Removing the anchor attribute is cumbersome to say the least. Possibly @others want to react. For the moment using con= for 3rd party registration creates one registration at the time. The Authorization server can also in this case assign endpoint values and prevent ep value stealing. I will try to get some concrete feedback on 3rd party registration. I will keep you informed. Peter Hannes Tschofenig schreef op 2018-05-08 13:20: > Peter, > > I would personally feel more comfortable if we standardize > functionality that some people have gained some experience already. If > we don't involve the domain experts then we will most likely get it > wrong. > > What about separating this functionality from the RD draft, reach out > to these companies, and then put the result of the investigations into > a separate document? There are some folks in the group who work > closely with indoor commercial lighting companies and they could for > sure help. > > Ciao > Hannes > > > -----Original Message----- > From: peter van der Stok [mailto:stokcons@xs4all.nl] > Sent: 08 May 2018 08:22 > To: Kovatsch, Matthias > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; Mohit Sethi; core@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / Endpoint Name > in RD draft > > Kovatsch, Matthias schreef op 2018-05-07 18:09: >> Dear Hannes, >> >> dear list >> >> To my knowledge, third-party provisioning functionality is in >> particular used for lighting systems; maybe Peter can comment on this. > > On request, some background. > For buildings, the installation is done by installation companies with > their own tools and procedures. > Installation can be done in phases by different companies. > Their is at this moment not one general approach or installation > protocol. > > The problem is that the architect and people around have produced > drawings with cabling and equipment situated at precise physical > locations in the drawing. > Equipment, cabling etc are identified with numbers ,names, what have > you. > There are descriptions which discuss the functionality and the > relation between the equipment. > All this knowledge has to be transferred to the equipment without > making too many "one of a kind" pieces. > In he "olde times" much was solved by the cabling, that limited the > control possibilities. > These IP times, anything can reach anything else. > One approach is to store parts of this information into the RD, which > can be queried by the equipment. > > I hope this make the wish for an RD with third party access > understandable. > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose > the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or > copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Jim Schaad
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Jim Schaad
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Mert Ocak
- [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / Endpo… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Mohit Sethi
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Kovatsch, Matthias
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Mohit Sethi
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Ludwig Seitz
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Kovatsch, Matthias
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… peter van der Stok
- Re: [core] Conclusion -- Endpoint Client Name / E… peter van der Stok