[Dawn] Re: Request for a non-WG mailing list: underscore-keys
Andrea Ferro <irn@irn3.com> Mon, 05 October 2026 06:26 UTC
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Subject: [Dawn] Re: Request for a non-WG mailing list: underscore-keys
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Hello Éric, Thank you, and fair point. I suggest dns-underscore-keys (dns-underscore-keys@ietf.org) It names DNS while keeping the subject of the records out of the title, which was the reason the group moved away from agent-records. The description and purpose stay as in the request. Best regards, Andrea Ferro > On 5 Oct 2026, at 08:25, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com> wrote: > > > Hello Andrea, > > While a mailing list will be created, I would like to push back on its name as it misses link to DNS. > > Would you mind suggesting a name including DNS ? Even if it becomes quite long ☹️ > > Regards > > -éric > > From: Andrea Ferro <irn@irn3.com> > Date: Monday, 5 October 2026 at 04:33 > To: Andrea Ferro <irn@irn3.com> > Cc: Girish Konda <girish.sai1@gmail.com>; Blake Morrison <blake@truealter.com>; Eric Vyncke (evyncke) <evyncke@cisco.com>; dawn@ietf.org <dawn@ietf.org>; adrian@olddog.co.uk <adrian@olddog.co.uk>; ping@anivar.net <ping@anivar.net>; naveed.ihsanullah@identity.digital <naveed.ihsanullah@identity.digital>; drew@truealter.com <drew@truealter.com>; Kaveh Ranjbar <kaveh@whisper.security> > Subject: Request for a non-WG mailing list: underscore-keys > > > Dear Éric, > > I am writing on the advice of Adrian Farrel (copied) to request a non-WG mailing list in the INT Area. The request is co-signed by Blake Morrison and Kaveh Ranjbar, who are copied, together with Naveed Ihsanullah, Drew and Anivar, who have been part of the discussion from the start. > > The four of us have independently published drafts that each define, under an underscore label, a record carrying a key, a commitment to one, or a reference to one, and the subject differs every time: an MCP endpoint in draft-morrison-mcp-dns-discovery, an accountable entity and its lifecycle in draft-ihsanullah-dnsid, a verification method for a DID in draft-ranjbar-dane-did, and an agent under a domain policy in draft-ferro-dnsop-apertoid. > > The drafts share open questions that none of them settles alone: how what the record binds constrains which DNS properties are acceptable, enumeration and the exposure of the membership roll, record size, erasure and the replay window set by TTL and signature validity, and whether a TXT record is sufficient or a new RRTYPE is warranted. Rather than take each draft to a working group chartered for something else, we would like an open place to work these out once. > > Requested list details: > > - Submitter: Andrea Ferro <irn@irn3.com> > - List name: underscore-keys (underscore-keys@ietf.org) > - Area: INT > - Short description: Discussion of DNS records under underscore labels that carry keys, key commitments or references to them, whatever subject they bind. > - Purpose: To compare existing proposals for publishing keys, or references to them, under underscore labels in DNS (draft-morrison-mcp-dns-discovery, draft-ihsanullah-dnsid, draft-ranjbar-dane-did, draft-ferro-dnsop-apertoid), and to work through their shared questions: how what the record binds constrains which DNS properties are acceptable, enumeration and the exposure of the membership roll, record size, erasure and the replay window set by TTL and signature validity, and TXT versus a new RRTYPE. > - Relation to existing lists: dawn, agent2agent and web-bot-auth address discovery, agent communication and bot authentication; none of them covers the DNS properties of key-bearing records under underscore labels, which is where these four drafts meet. > - Administrators: Andrea Ferro <irn@irn3.com>, Kaveh Ranjbar <kaveh@whisper.security>, Blake Morrison <blake@truealter.com> > - Subscription: open. > > We are happy to adjust the name or scope if you see a better fit. > > > Best regards, > Andrea Ferro > _______________________________________________ > Dawn mailing list -- dawn@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to dawn-leave@ietf.org
- [Dawn] Request for a non-WG mailing list: undersc… Andrea Ferro
- [Dawn] Re: Request for a non-WG mailing list: und… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- [Dawn] Re: Request for a non-WG mailing list: und… Andrea Ferro
- [Dawn] Re: Request for a non-WG mailing list: und… Naveed Ihsanullah
- [Dawn] Re: Request for a non-WG mailing list: und… Kaveh Ranjbar
- [Dawn] Re: Request for a non-WG mailing list: und… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- [Dawn] Re: Request for a non-WG mailing list: und… Andrea Ferro
- [Dawn] Re: Request for a non-WG mailing list: und… Blake Morrison