Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Wed, 27 February 2019 18:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft
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On Feb 27, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote: > Yep. After both domains have DNSSEC, then this could all be > simpler. Before they do, there may be value in the sigs though > see John's simplification suggestion at [1]. If they don’t have DNSSEC, what’s the point of saying the domains are related anyway? What are the security properties of such an assertion when the content of the zones can’t be validated?
- [dbound] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft Brotman, Alexander
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD... John Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD... Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD... John R Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD... Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD... John R Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD... Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Bob Harold
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Paul Wouters
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Brotman, Alexander
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Paul Wouters
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Paul Wouters
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Tony Finch
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Hollenbeck, Scott
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Paul Wouters
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By D... John Levine
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... David Conrad
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... John R. Levine
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Ted Lemon
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By D... Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By D... John C Klensin
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By D... Jothan Frakes
- Re: [dbound] [DNSOP] Related Domains By DNS (RD... Michael J. Sheldon
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] not DNAME, was Relat... John R Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By D... John Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By D... Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] Related Domains By D... John R Levine
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] not DNAME, was Relat... John C Klensin
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] not DNAME, was Relat... Tony Finch
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] not DNAME, was Relat... Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [dbound] [art] [DNSOP] not DNAME, was Relat... Samuel Weiler
- [dbound] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [dbound] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft Samuel Weiler
- Re: [dbound] Related Domains By DNS (RDBD) Draft Stephen Farrell