[Detnet] Network Slicing - a suggestion that we meet to discuss in Seoul
Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Tue, 01 November 2016 15:21 UTC
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From: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
To: 5gangip@ietf.org, detnet@ietf.org, nfvrg@irtf.org, draft-galis-anima-autonomic-slice-networking@ietf.org, draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip-issues@ietf.org, draft-xuan-dmm-multicast-mobility-slicing@ietf.org, draft-ietf-teas-actn-framework@ietf.org
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Subject: [Detnet] Network Slicing - a suggestion that we meet to discuss in Seoul
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(Resent with correct draft alias) Hi, We were trying to pull together a problem statement for network slicing in a 5G context to understand how well the current IETF protocols address this problem, what their short comings might be, and what IETF work is necessary to have a deployable protocol suite to address this need. We have set down our first thoughts in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-network-slicing-problem-statement-00 We find that there are a number of groups doing similar work throughout the IETF. The following comprehensive draft was directed at the ANIMA WG https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-galis-anima-autonomic-slice-networking/ https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip-issues-00 is a detailed discussion the position of network slicing in a contest of next generation networks https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xuan-dmm-multicast-mobility-slicing-00 looks at multicasting in a sliced context and https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-actn-framework-01 looks at slicing in a context of traffic engineering. Our thoughts are that network slicing spans a number of deployment scenarios, and has a number of diverse applications, ranging from fragile applications, through to providing enhanced security and availability. Elements of the problem and the resultant solution have a close affinity to DETNET. There is clearly an affinity with VPN technologies, although none of the existing VPNs provide the degree of isolation that we think is required. We note that there seems to be no natural home for all of the aspects of this problem. It therefore seems that if would be a good idea for those interested in this problem to get together at some point during IETF to swap notes and share our views on the problem space and how to move forward with addressing it. Is there any interest in meeting up to discuss this in Seoul? Best regards Stewart/Mach/Jie
- [Detnet] Network Slicing - a suggestion that we m… Stewart Bryant
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