[Detnet] Roman Danyliw's Discuss on draft-ietf-raw-architecture-27: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

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DISCUSS:
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(This DISUSS feedback is for the DETNET WG Chairs and Responsible AD)

Given that this document was moved from the closed RAW WG to DETNET, I
explicitly checked for consensus to publish this document during WGLC.  I note
with appreciation that this document was explicitly added as a milestone during
the DETNET -04 re-chartering process in April 2025.

I note that the shepherd report says:
==[ snip ]==
1. Does the working group (WG) consensus represent the strong concurrence of a
few individuals, with others being silent, or did it reach broad agreement?

The normal WG process has been followed with nothing special worth mentioning.
The work was started in the RAW WG and has been completed in the DetNet WG
after the merge of the RAW WG to the DetNet WG. The document reflects WG
consensus, which represents strong concurrence of a number of individuals.

==[ snip ]==

However, upon review, I cannot find evidence of support to publish this
document in the WG discussion during the WGLC.

The Datatracker history reports that the WGLC started in Oct-2024 and ended in
Mar-2025.  Thank you to the WG chairs for using this state in the Datatracker.

==[ snip ]==
2025-03-15/-24 closed of WGLC (Lou Berger)
2024-10-18/-21 start WGLC (Lou Berger)
==[ snip ]==

The WGLC call thread on the DETNET ML started on 18-October-2024 at
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/eYumAudcJqPFSARwmHRu8Mwfgi4/.
While I can find Last Call directorate reviews and responses from the document
authors and WG chairs to these reviews, no one from the WG appears to have
responded to the WGLC supporting publication.

Next, I assumed that the F2F plenary meeting discussions during the WGLC had
established interest to publish this document.  However, the meeting minutes
did not establish that either.  Caveat, I didn’t listen to the meeting
recordings.

==[ snip ]==
The IETF 121 (Nov-2024) DETNET meeting (during the WGLC) has no tangible sense
of consensus --
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-121-detnet-202411071300/

The IETF 122 (Mar-2025) DETNET meeting (also during the WGLC) has no mention of
this document --
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-122-detnet-202503170230/ ==[ snip ]==

Perhaps my search skills missed key interim meetings or mailing list threads. 
Could some pointers please be provided that substantiate WG interest to publish.


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COMMENT:
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Thank you to Behcet Sarikaya for the GENART review