Re: [Detnet] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls-07: (with COMMENT)

Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 17 September 2020 14:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Detnet] Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls-07: (with COMMENT)
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Bala’zs:

Hi!

Thanks for your reply…but I am still missing the details of what is
specified.  The mandatory points you mention are detailed in the
detnet-mpls document, and I see no explicit procedures on how to do the
mapping, except for the general phrase: "DetNet IP flow over a DetNet MPLS
network MUST map a DetNet IP flow”.

IOW, no specifics of a “take this field and map it there”-type are present.

In any case, these comments are non-blocking…and I defer to Deborah to make
the right decision.

Thanks!

Alvaro.

On September 9, 2020 at 8:50:12 AM, Balázs Varga A (
balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com) wrote:

Hi Alvaro,

Many thanks for your review. Regarding:
(1) Yes, there are similarities on high level. However, the main
differences of mapping to DetNet MPLS (compared to plain MPLS) are that (1)
there is a mandatory flow identification (and not the FEC), (2) the d-CW
(DetNet Control Word) is mandatory and (3) DetNet specific treatment is
needed.
(2) draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-ip was replaced primarly by
draft-ietf-detnet-ip. But, I see your point, this draft is also related.
(3) Thanks. Corrected.

Thanks & Cheers
Bala'zs

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Subject: Alvaro Retana's No Objection on draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls-07:
(with COMMENT)

Alvaro Retana has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls-07: No Objection

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(1) I may have completely missed the point of this document; what is it?
More importantly, what is this document specifying? Why is it on the
Standards Track?

As I see it, this document says that IP flows can be carried over MPLS --
ok, specifically over DetNet MPLS. The mapping of IP flows to an MPLS LSP
is no different in DetNet MPLS when compared to "plain" MPLS...nor is it
different for IP vs DetNet IP flows -- from §4.2:

Mapping of IP to DetNet MPLS is similar for DetNet IP flows and IP
flows. The six-tuple of IP is mapped to the S-Label in both cases.
The various fields may be mapped or ignored when going from IP to
MPLS.

At best, it seems to me that this document could be Informational.

(2) It looks like this document should be tagged in the Datatracker as
(also) replacing draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-ip.

(3) s/both Non-DetNet and DetNet IP packet/both Non-DetNet and DetNet IP
packets