[Detnet] Re: Draft OAM RAW
Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Fri, 07 November 2025 11:22 UTC
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From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
To: Fabrice Theoleyre <fabrice.theoleyre@cnrs.fr>, "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>
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Fabrice, We talked about this draft briefly at the last two meetings. All it takes to revive this document within the working group is a new/updated version. Once published, we can discuss the document and then determine if there's sufficient support for submission to the iesg. Thank you and I look forward to seeing a new version! Lou ________________________________ On November 7, 2025 1:52:05 AM Fabrice Theoleyre <fabrice.theoleyre@cnrs.fr> wrote: Dear all, Regrettably, I was unable to attend IETF124, even remotely. Prior to the merger of RAW with detnet, we authored the RAW-OAM draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-raw-oam-support/) Although it was submitted for last call in RAW, many reasons have postponed the finalization. We still believe that this draft is of interest in describing the specificities of wireless segments and complements well https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9551/.<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9551/> What is the opinion of the WG? Best regards, Fabrice
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