[Detnet] IETF 116 DetNet Side Meeting Minutes

["Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi all,

Thanks a lot for joining the discussion of yesterday. Here are some simple summary:
1.     [Cooperation online] Create a list to clarify how many and which solutions are on the table for enhanced DetNet and snyc with the WG ML. (WG  wiki/github)
2.     [Cooperation online] Open a certain time of discussion window for requirement discussion, and work together online, and snyc with the WG ML.(github/WG wiki)
3.     [Call Meeting] People think it requests more work to understand solutions from each other and deep dive in the arranged call meeting will be very helpful.
4.    In addition to requirements addition revision (result goes into requirements draft), we also need to come up with an agreed-upon (by WG) set of evaluation criteria for guiding choices among overlapping solutions.

Please feel free to add/remove/modify it and discuss through the Mailing List.


Best
Xuesong

From: detnet [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2023 8:36 AM
To: Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas=[e-mail]>; Kiran Makhijani <[e-mail]>; Yizhou Li <[e-mail]>
Cc: DetNet WG <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Detnet] Reminder RE: [Imporatant Update]RE: IETF 116 DetNet Side Meeting Proposal

Here is the link for the webex meeting.

From: Janos Farkas [mailto:Janos.Farkas=[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 6:50 PM
To: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; Kiran Makhijani <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; Yizhou Li <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: DetNet WG <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: RE: [Detnet] [Imporatant Update]RE: IETF 116 DetNet Side Meeting Proposal

The WebEx for the side meeting:

Meeting link:
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mc4eb237980d7f98c35f337645202e987
Meeting number:
2439 687 6776
Password:
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From: detnet <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> On Behalf Of Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 11:25 AM
To: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong=[e-mail]<mailto:gengxuesong=[e-mail]>>; Lou Berger <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; Kiran Makhijani <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; Janos Farkas <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: Yizhou Li <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; DetNet WG <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: [Detnet] [Imporatant Update]RE: IETF 116 DetNet Side Meeting Proposal

Hi all,

With the help of IETF secretary, there will be new room for our side meeting tomorrow.
Our side meeting will be at: Wednesday 08:30-10:00 Room G414
The information on wiki is also updated, please check:  https://wiki.ietf.org/en/meeting/116/sidemeetings
Apologies for causing so much confusion. Looking forward to seeing you there.

Best
Xuesong

From: detnet [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:58 PM
To: Lou Berger <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong=[e-mail]<mailto:gengxuesong=[e-mail]>>; Kiran Makhijani <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; Janos Farkas <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: Yizhou Li <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; DetNet WG <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] IETF 116 DetNet Side Meeting Proposal

Hi Lou,

As previous ML discussion, the time slot 15:30-17:00 has confliction with CATS, so we have updated the information in Wiki...
But I just notice that G301 seems not available 08:30-10:00 tomorrow morning although there is no other side meeting then. Maybe we could consider to discuss in some other room before morning session I in order to avoid confliction with ccamp?

Best
Xuesong

From: detnet [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Lou Berger
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 2:49 PM
To: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong=[e-mail]<mailto:gengxuesong=[e-mail]>>; Kiran Makhijani <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; Janos Farkas <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: Yizhou Li <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; DetNet WG <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] IETF 116 DetNet Side Meeting Proposal


Xuesong
What was the reason for me meeting change (note it now conflicts with ccamp), perhaps to accommodate remote participation?

Thanks
Lou

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On March 28, 2023 2:09:18 PM "Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)" <gengxuesong=[e-mail]<mailto:gengxuesong=[e-mail]>> wrote:
Hi Kiran,

You are right. It is 08:30-10:00 tomorrow morning.

Best
Xuesong

From: Kiran Makhijani [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 6:38 AM
To: Janos Farkas <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: Yizhou Li <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; DetNet WG <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: Re: IETF 116 DetNet Side Meeting Proposal

Hi Xuesong,
Just to be clear, I see side meeting for Wednesday 08:30 am slot JST (not 15:30 JST).
Could you confirm please?

08:30-10:00

G301

Latency Guarantee in Deterministic Networking

RTG/TSV

[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>

Various latency fuarantee solutions with existing and new IETF techniques

TBD


-Kiran

From: detnet <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> on behalf of Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas=[e-mail]<mailto:Janos.Farkas=[e-mail]>>
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 5:44 AM
To: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong=[e-mail]<mailto:gengxuesong=[e-mail]>>
Cc: Yizhou Li <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>, DetNet WG <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] IETF 116 DetNet Side Meeting Proposal
Hi,

I could not find calendar entry for the side meeting at https://wiki.ietf.org/meeting/116/sidemeetings.
As far as I see, G301 is booked 15:30-17:00 (I guess JST).
So, I've booked a WebEx meeting accordingly; see below.
Let me know if any changes are needed.

Regards,
Janos


Meeting link:
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m5894399f8e6bf390c60437f7b3b83e93
Meeting number:
2426 388 9557
Password:
scaling
Join by video system
Dial [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
You can also dial 173.243.2.68 and enter your meeting number.
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From: Yizhou Li <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 3:16 AM
To: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong=[e-mail]<mailto:gengxuesong=[e-mail]>>; Lou Berger <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: DetNet Chairs <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; DetNet WG <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: RE: IETF 116 DetNet Side Meeting Proposal

Yes, see you there.

From: detnet [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 9:57 AM
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Cc: DetNet Chairs <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; DetNet WG <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] IETF 116 DetNet Side Meeting Proposal

Hi Lou,

Thanks for your feedback. Yeah I think the intention here is just to make it as some simple and relaxed meet up during IETF 116. Still do you have any suggestion about the topic that could be discussed then?

Best
Xuesong

From: Lou Berger [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2023 1:38 AM
To: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Cc: DetNet Chairs <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; DetNet WG <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: Re: IETF 116 DetNet Side Meeting Proposal


Hi Xuesong

Thanks for initiating this.  One process point - this is not an "official" WG meeting - That happens as part of the main meeting!

This is an informal meetup of those interesting in working on solutions to the enhanced dataplane requirements document - to take advantage of many of those individuals being in person at IETF 116.  I think it would be great for there to be remote participation, but I don't see this as a strict requirement for this informal meeting to be useful.  Clearly we want to have all who want to participate who can, but good discussion can still occur even with a more limited group.

Wider discussion can and should occur on the WG list. Keeping in mind that, and as always, WG decisions and consensus take place on the WG list.
Thanks for taking the lead on setting this up!
Lou (as Co-chair)

On 3/7/2023 11:35 PM, Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) wrote:
Hi WG,

As discussed in the interim, we plan to have an official side meeting in Yokohama. Considering the DetNet is in Thursday Session I, I have signed a side meeting on 15:30-17:00 29th March (Wednesday session III) in wiki page (https://wiki.ietf.org/e/en/meeting/116/sidemeetings ) with the name of "Latency Guarantee in Deterministic Networking".  Please check whether the time slot and the meeting name looks suitable to you.

Also, I notice that there are some interesting discussions in our interim about whether DetNet will persue 100% bounded latency guarantee and it seems that people tend to think the answer will be no. So I think this may bring a lot of other existing IETF work into our view. So shall we invite people from other WG to introduce the related work and discuss their understanding of DetNet, for example: network slicing, L4S, etc. I think that will also be very helpful for our further work.

BTW, it will be very helpful if chairs could help set up a call meeting if people think the

Best
Xuesong