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Re: [Detnet] [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-detnet-security-10

Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com> Thu, 06 August 2020 13:05 UTC

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From: Eric Gray <eric.gray@ericsson.com>
To: Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [Detnet] [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-detnet-security-10
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Stewart,

	Actually, in addition to the many things that are strange about this entire conversation, your observation about the "thing in the middle" (I mean, let's face it, the "entity" in the middle - EITM? - has been gender-neutral for a long time, given that any human participation in the role could be detected by an idiot) being necessarily _active_ is not quite correct.

	It seems to me to be quite reasonable that the middle position could as easily be used to passively collect information for use in other activities - including a few fairly well known attacks.

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Eric

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Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [Detnet] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-detnet-security-10


> ---
> 
> It would be nice to avoid the term "man-in-the-middle" (and 
> coresponding
> "MITM") in favour of the term "on-path attacker". It is less 
> problematic as a term, and no less accurate.
> 
> Although "man-in-the-middle" is well established, I think you could 
> easily avoid it and if you feel necessary you could use "An on-path 
> attacker (formerly known as a man-in-the-middle) ..."

I sort of understand why you want to change MITM, although given that the man you have in mind is evil I am not sure whether it is that objectionable in this context. However I am not sure on-path is the right term. MITM normally implies an entity that can modify traffic in flight, whereas an on path attacker may simply be an observer.

Maybe AITM (attacker ....) would be a better gender neutral term.

Stewart

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