Re: [dhcwg] Very late comments on WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-rfc8415bis

Bernie Volz <bevolz@gmail.com> Tue, 06 February 2024 13:52 UTC

Return-Path: <bevolz@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: dhcwg@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dhcwg@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994F1C14F71B for <dhcwg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 6 Feb 2024 05:52:31 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -6.212
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.212 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.1, MIME_HTML_ONLY_MULTI=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, MPART_ALT_DIFF=0.79, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1wWO1PZubqSg for <dhcwg@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 6 Feb 2024 05:52:27 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-qv1-xf35.google.com (mail-qv1-xf35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CEAD1C14F713 for <dhcwg@ietf.org>; Tue, 6 Feb 2024 05:52:27 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-qv1-xf35.google.com with SMTP id 6a1803df08f44-6869e87c8d8so20362526d6.2 for <dhcwg@ietf.org>; Tue, 06 Feb 2024 05:52:27 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1707227547; x=1707832347; darn=ietf.org; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=9lhhnkoW7K/nir/emJqPmGY1O2rit4akrTZim9+LCwk=; b=b6HBNE4YzW/ZghZ4pCxqJlyAqqetI2HXhagSFBu6JBIU5MGW06ewvsjzRUI7B7UtCK fWo4lm+1GvL2zcDEo3Ibf1F3BQvPYJrqnCCqqLD2e3bA8c8sA1afMbRDh75fccXexYWw UvkQeVTuWqfPETcJs0GAdBYWOhbB69Vpukh79EsmVWLXeimdhb/cqcxSfwHRswj+1IID B89UVwV92/RNyVjn7me0/g98od8Zpe/oWHw3vecjTPcsDm0kcH+6yazy1B4/A2IjpR78 lhMv4OpQIBeRGBzQJPWNugbGJCW/0H4rKHKcHwUBG+yR9SpP5A/bI5qeVMLw6OX5OE6Q jnCg==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1707227547; x=1707832347; h=to:in-reply-to:cc:references:message-id:date:subject:mime-version :from:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=9lhhnkoW7K/nir/emJqPmGY1O2rit4akrTZim9+LCwk=; b=ePNZo2NCz/v3VevGKh6Vhb4QXl8BOzDMdErtJIuBZEHEjBkUfLxO6a0UHVGqS1PC5Y bJIWRgJSfSo0o7b6dCa4LAaqvPwSEahokIjCtunaXP3aW8l0GQ+eA0OPb1Txg2JkSMBj Up8nQG7tb2cYApGWL0UolLlMKy3IOjPzKLXv0xccgYA0FxXuyCjyjsW9HPA2BxZQzWPR +/TohRAaMP0+VF6LMLufby7nl9dlxY8tkiyeRMXabYzkDrzb4g0XNjDXNUggkrY7JW7A 8x7oWri8ZpDkFMwa8gDpipfOJXflZRgx4JekH2W3LXlnx171EL5kFxpiB7sru49TXVO6 tyaQ==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwuOvgKkgPGvbVsZ5rXLOst6i5nQ+em+tl8g4ilby5rP7tb3CDE liCC+PMuEz/WlqcTGthXq9ZG5C4SRvU3TehOasQaqo3w02AgWYUgEXyo5ic=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFU6rNlMx7Uobqq4t/uwSgBgnLhe7Nh0ocnbg6K6mEEUNwVuAy3S5cQZnnn+woyOjSEqw0t+w==
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:1d0b:b0:68c:8554:4b76 with SMTP id e11-20020a0562141d0b00b0068c85544b76mr3035876qvd.1.1707227546831; Tue, 06 Feb 2024 05:52:26 -0800 (PST)
X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=0; AJvYcCXv2RCBpHvCLha6Cz/ooQPQImdgxtZoIKdGifeyrGNY0U09ddqth30OZ69KjYvCUfQSA8nBbDKYzdFs0XibcA==
Received: from smtpclient.apple (d-24-233-121-124.nh.cpe.atlanticbb.net. [24.233.121.124]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id mu9-20020a056214328900b0068cac993878sm1021569qvb.115.2024.02.06.05.52.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 06 Feb 2024 05:52:26 -0800 (PST)
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-EED294CF-809C-4189-B6D1-B13641867C46"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
From: Bernie Volz <bevolz@gmail.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0)
Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2024 08:52:15 -0500
Message-Id: <A998CCA0-359F-4C01-9AAE-FB01864AB906@gmail.com>
References: <CAJgLMKunSp5-51grZ0R6SAHhXx5Dt1o92p9Ay0NnzKR1yNafsw@mail.gmail.com>
Cc: Tomek Mrugalski <tomasz.mrugalski@gmail.com>, dhcwg <dhcwg@ietf.org>
In-Reply-To: <CAJgLMKunSp5-51grZ0R6SAHhXx5Dt1o92p9Ay0NnzKR1yNafsw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Timothy Winters <tim@qacafe.com>
X-Mailer: iPad Mail (21C62)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dhcwg/MGq3f2kez5pz6QcSZ1ySAsqnb5o>
Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Very late comments on WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-rfc8415bis
X-BeenThere: dhcwg@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: Dynamic Host Configuration <dhcwg.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dhcwg/>
List-Post: <mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg>, <mailto:dhcwg-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2024 13:52:31 -0000

Hi … have been away. Beginning to catch up. I agree with Tim regarding these comments.

If we reference notification draft, it would likely delay publication of bis document until that one is published which is not a good idea.

I also think that we should not try to reference every dhcpv6 related document - so I don’t see a strong need to reference leasequery or failover. It also makes protocol look more complicated by number of other documents someone may think they need to review. We already have a ton of references.

- Bernie (from iPad)

On Feb 6, 2024, at 8:46 AM, Timothy Winters <tim@qacafe.com> wrote:


Hi Tomek,

Responded in line.
On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 9:40 AM Tomek Mrugalski <tomasz.mrugalski@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I'm not sure what's the status of the WGLC is. The deadline has long
passed, but I don't think any wrap up was posted. And the -04 was not
published yet. So perhaps it's not too late?
While we concluded WGLC isn't not too late to make modifications.

Reviewing 130+ pages long document is not a trivial task. I have
compared 8415 text with that latest version of the draft and found no
specific issues with the draft.

I do have a small number of editorial suggestions.

1. SECTION 1: Introduction

Remove "temporary addresses" from the list of resources DHCPv6 can allocate.
Agree.  

2. SECTION 4.2: Terminology

The section defines IA mentions IA_NA, IA_TA, and IA_PD. And there's
this text "New IA types may be defined in the future.". IA_LL was
defined in RFC8947. I propose to change the text to:

"One other IA type was defined (see RFC8947) and more may be defined
in the future.".
Agree, this is good idea. 

3. Should we add references to other DHCPv6 RFCs?
The text mentions bulk leasequery (Section 19.4), but RFC 5460 is not
referenced. Perhaps we could add a paragraph somewhere (or maybe new
section 1.3?) that mentions DHCPv6 mechanisms: leasequery, bulk
leasequery, active leasequery, IA_LL and failover. On one hand, it would
make the already huge document a tiny bit bigger. On another, we already
have lots of references, so I suspect there will be engineers out there
starting their DHCP journey with this text.
My suggestion is maybe add these to Section 6, 6.6 as it is an operational model? I agree having more information about leasequery is a good idea. 

And a follow-up question to 3: If we decide to add them, should we also
mention draft-ietf-dhc-addr-notification? Some people feel it might
become a very popular mechanism. But perhaps referencing a draft is not
something we want to do?
I think it's too early to reference that document. 

Any thoughts on this?

With or without those minor edits, I think this document is ready to
move forward.

Tomek

_______________________________________________
dhcwg mailing list
dhcwg@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg" rel="noreferrer nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg
_______________________________________________
dhcwg mailing list
dhcwg@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg