RE: [dhcwg] Regarding Draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-id-X.txt
"Kostur, Andre" <Andre@incognito.com> Thu, 29 January 2004 22:56 UTC
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From: "Kostur, Andre" <Andre@incognito.com>
To: 'Ted Lemon' <mellon@nominum.com>, Mats Jonsson <mats.jonsson@packetfront.com>
Cc: "<dhcwg@ietf.org>" <dhcwg@ietf.org>, "<frenym@packetfront.com>" <frenym@packetfront.com>
Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Regarding Draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-id-X.txt
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:50:09 -0800
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Lemon [mailto:mellon@nominum.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 2:43 PM > To: Mats Jonsson > Cc: <dhcwg@ietf.org>; <frenym@packetfront.com> > Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Regarding Draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-id-X.txt > > On Jan 29, 2004, at 9:52 AM, Mats Jonsson wrote: > > The document draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-id-X.txt describes > technology > > or solutions for which PacketFront has related patents or patent > > applications pending. > > > > If a document based on this draft becomes an IETF standard > PacketFront > > is prepared to license, on reasonable and non-discriminatory terms, > > any related PacketFront patents to the extent required to > comply with > > the standard. > > That's somewhat encouraging, but can you say what terms you would > offer? I'm personally not at all happy with the idea that > any part of > the DHCP protocol suite might be subject to a license fee. > > The only standard in the DHCwg that contains any patented IP (that I > know of) is the relay agent information option draft, and to the best > of my recollection Motorola stated that they would not demand any > compensation from software or hardware manufacturers who implement > RFC3046, other than in cases where there might be cross-licensing > issues. > > I think that PacketFront owes the DHCwg an explanation for why they > have added these trivial patents on top of a protocol that is > otherwise > unencumbered - how you justify this kind of action toward a > group that > has produced something of great value to you and offered it > to you with > no strings attached. If these are purely defensive patents, > that's a > good explanation, but if that's the case, your licensing terms should > be stated in way that's compatible with that interpretation. > > Unfortunately, "reasonable" is far too vague to satisfy this. I > personally am against advancing this draft until we have some > assurance > that there will be no license fees for this patent except in cases > where there is a need for cross-licensing. I have no > objection to you > protecting your interests, but I do object to the DHCwg advancing a > draft which encumbers the DHCP protocol suite in this way, > and I don't > think this draft adds sufficient value to justify advancing the draft > under the present circumstances. I agree with Ted. I think that the licencing terms should be spelled out specifically, as well as exactly which patents cover the work within the draft.
- [dhcwg] Regarding Draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-id-X.… Mats Jonsson
- Re: [dhcwg] Regarding Draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-i… Ted Lemon
- RE: [dhcwg] Regarding Draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-i… Kostur, Andre
- RE: [dhcwg] Regarding Draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-i… Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] Regarding Draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-i… Thomas Narten
- Re: [dhcwg] Regarding Draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-i… Ralph Droms
- Re: [dhcwg] Regarding Draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-i… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Regarding Draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-i… John Schnizlein