Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-relay-requirements - respond by August 17th, 2020
Naveen Kottapalli <naveen.sarma@gmail.com> Fri, 18 September 2020 17:08 UTC
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From: Naveen Kottapalli <naveen.sarma@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 22:37:47 +0530
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Subject: Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-relay-requirements - respond by August 17th, 2020
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Hello Bernie, As suggested we are of opinion that the requirement will be dropped. Yours, Naveen. On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 21:55, Bernie Volz (volz) <volz= 40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Hi: > > One thing to ask is whether this issue is worth continuing debate on this > document? Removing it would probably let the document move forward ... > > Regarding your answer Ian: [if - The 2 cases would be a bug in the HGW > (prefix delegated but routing table not updated so default route is still > used), or an attack where rogue clients deliberately send this traffic.] > > - An attacker could always send lots of traffic; sure if it is sent back > by the relay router, it causes more traffic but eventually the hop limit > will be hit and the packet will be dropped. Though wouldn't fixing this at > the CPE router (which this document does not cover) be a better place to > fix it? > - If there's a bug, perhaps better to learn about it earlier and get it > fixed? Someone might notice if they see their throughput drop? > > I'm still wondering what a normal router would do in this case and why > this needs to be different than general router behavior? Also, could the > CPE use this to test connectivity over the WAN link (i.e., send a packet to > itself using an address in the PD expecting it to be looped back by the > next hop (relay) router)? > > And, is this something that someone has actually seen occur, or just a > theoretical issue that could happen. > > - Bernie > > -----Original Message----- > From: ianfarrer@gmx.com <ianfarrer@gmx.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 11:17 AM > To: Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org> > Cc: Bernie Volz (volz) <volz@cisco.com>; dhcwg@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-relay-requirements > - respond by August 17th, 2020 > > Hi, > > Please see inline. > > Thanks, > Ian > > > On 15. Sep 2020, at 14:31, otroan@employees.org wrote: > > > > Ian, > > > >> [if - There’s been quite a lot of iterations on this since -01. The > current working version is: > >> > >> R-4: > >> If the relay has learned a route for a delegated prefix via a given > >> interface, and receives traffic on this interface with a destination > >> address within the delegated prefix (that is not an on-link prefix > >> for the relay), then it MUST be dropped. This is to prevent routing > >> loops. > >> An ICMPv6 Type 1, Code 6 (Destination Unreachable, reject route to > >> destination) error message MAY be sent back to the client. The ICMP > >> policy SHOULD be configurable.] > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> Two questions: > >>> > >>> 1) What is the case where this would triggered? That wouldn't be > caught by uRPF (R-2)? > >> > >> [if - The traffic is originated from a valid source prefix so uRPF > >> (R-2) doesn't cover it. This requirement is concerned with the > >> destination.] > > > > Would you mind ellaborating on how exactly the setup (or attack) would > be constructed for this to happen? > > [if - The 2 cases would be a bug in the HGW (prefix delegated but routing > table not updated so default route is still used), or an attack where rogue > clients deliberately send this traffic.] > > > > >>> 2) On a multi-access link, how should this even be implemented? > >>> drop if rx-interface == tx-interface and packet source mac == next-hop > mac? > >> > >> [if - That sounds like it would cover it.] > > > > I think it would be useful to get implementors to chime in how practical > this is to implement. > > > >>> - Is it supposed to be a silent discard or should you send a > destination unreachable? > >> > >> [if - Please see current text above.] > > > > Ack. > > > > Best regards, > > Ole > > _______________________________________________ > dhcwg mailing list > dhcwg@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg >
- [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-relay-r… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Naveen Kottapalli
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… otroan
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Bernie Volz (volz)
- [dhcwg] Fwd: WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-re… ianfarrer
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… ianfarrer
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… ianfarrer
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… otroan
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… ianfarrer
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… otroan
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… ianfarrer
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Naveen Kottapalli
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Timothy Winters
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… Bernie Volz (volz)
- Re: [dhcwg] WGLC for draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-pd-rel… otroan