[Diffserv-interest] Re: [Diffserv] DiffServ traffic characteristics

Brian E Carpenter <brian@hursley.ibm.com> Wed, 10 April 2002 09:40 UTC

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There is an interesting question whether the smoothing effect
in the core will be helped or hindered by the separation of
traffic into several diffserv aggregates, presumably each containing
traffic with somewhat similar statistics.

   Brian

(switched to diffserv-interest)

Lloyd Wood wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Phung Minh Hoang wrote:
> 
> > Traffic in the current Internet has been found to be self-similar and
> > multifractal.
> 
> I think you'll find that that's traffic at the edges, where hosts on
> LANs fight it out and academics have their kit and do their
> measurements.
> 
> In the core, all these slower streams are aggregated, smoothing out
> individual peaks, and everything's running much nearer capacity.
> Lucent rediscovered this with some fanfare last year:
> 
> http://www.lucent.com/press/0601/010606.bla.html
> http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/ms/departments/sia/InternetTraffic/index.html
> http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/ms/departments/sia/InternetTraffic/webpapers.html
> Jin Cao, William S. Cleveland, Dong Lin, and Don X. Sun
> 
> This is really a discussion for end2end.
> 
> L.
> 
> > Will that change if
> >
> > (1) Internet traffic changes from being dominated by TCP, Web traffic to
> > being dominated by real time multimedia traffic
> >
> > (2) traffic conditioning mechanisms in DiffServ are introduced
> >
> > Can anyone point me to any work done so far to address that?
> 
> <L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>PGP<http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/>
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