Re: [dispatch] [Sframe] Dispatch of SFrame for End-To-End Encrypted Conference Calls
Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> Mon, 15 June 2020 19:30 UTC
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From: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 15:30:12 -0400
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To: Emad Omara <emadomara=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>, Sergio murillo <sergio.garcia.murillo@cosmosoftware.io>, Alexandre GOUAILLARD <Alex.GOUAILLARD@cosmosoftware.io>, Patrick McManus <patrick.ducksong@gmail.com>, Dispatch WG <dispatch@ietf.org>, sframe@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [dispatch] [Sframe] Dispatch of SFrame for End-To-End Encrypted Conference Calls
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On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 3:20 PM Emad Omara <emadomara= 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Thanks. > > Some responses inline. Other authors please feel free to add more. > > Emad > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:13 PM Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, Patrick. >> >> Authors: It would be helpful to get a little more background: >> >> - How does this work relate to PERC? What problem does it solve that PERC >> doesn’t? >> > This is a completely different approach than PERC. THis draft aims for > simplicity and efficiency. The sdrame draft itself has some benchmarks > against the PERC approach. That being said the sframe draft focuses mainly > on the media encryption part and touches slightly other parts in the system > like key management and integration with WebRTC. If this became a standard > we will have to write a separate draft for each of these two topics. > >> - Do you expect this to become an IETF standard available to anyone to >> implement? Who do you think would implement it? >> > Yes. This will be implemented by the video conference providers. The core > protocol implementation is on the client side. > >> - Is anyone outside of Google working on the spec or implementing the >> protocol? Has anyone outside of Google expressed interest in doing so? >> > Yes, the document is co-authored by +Sergio murillo > <sergio.garcia.murillo@cosmosoftware.io> & +Alexandre GOUAILLARD > <Alex.GOUAILLARD@cosmosoftware.io> from Cosmos Software. > On this last point: We are considering this for some projects at Cisco. --Richard > - Anything else you think would help motivate people to read the draft and >> give feedback :-) >> >> Thanks! >> >> Ben. >> >> On Jun 15, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Patrick McManus <patrick.ducksong@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi All - >> >> I failed to note the link highlighting in Emad's mail to the list which >> already contained the draft. Sorry about that. (It's >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-omara-sframe-00 if you too missed it). >> >> There's also a github and mailing list referenced: >> https://github.com/eomara/sframe >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/sframe/? >> >> [I've also forked the Subject Line to help interested readers] >> >> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:42 PM Patrick McManus < >> patrick.ducksong@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sounds really interesting Emad and there's obviously related work going >>> on (at least perc, maybe even mls..). >>> >>> Sending that email Ben mentions to the dispatch list to raise awareness >>> with a link to the draft would be helpful in getting the process started.. >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 2:33 PM Emad Omara <emadomara@google.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ben, >>>> >>>> This draft proposes a solution for end-to-end encrypted conference >>>> calls. We implemented this in Google a couple of years ago in Duo, but the >>>> draft was only published last month given the current interest in the topic. >>>> >>>> The goal of the session is to go through the proposal and see if there >>>> is interest to continue working on this, and if so what will be the best WG >>>> to host this work. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Emad >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:02 AM Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Emad, >>>>> >>>>> We prioritize DISPATCH meeting time to focus on topics that have had >>>>> DISPATCH list discussion and need high-bandwidth time to resolve. Unless >>>>> I’ve missed something, this topic has not previously come up in DISPATCH. I >>>>> suggest sending a note to this list with some background about the draft >>>>> and how you would like to see it progress. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Ben. >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 15, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Emad Omara < >>>>> emadomara=40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> We would like to have a session in the next IETF to discuss the SFrame >>>>> draft <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-omara-sframe-00> Can you >>>>> please help scheduling this? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Emad >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dispatch mailing list >>>>> dispatch@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> -- > Sframe mailing list > Sframe@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sframe >
- [dispatch] Request session at IETF 108 dispatch Emad Omara
- Re: [dispatch] Request session at IETF 108 dispat… Ben Campbell
- Re: [dispatch] Request session at IETF 108 dispat… Emad Omara
- [dispatch] Dispatch of SFrame for End-To-End Encr… Patrick McManus
- Re: [dispatch] Request session at IETF 108 dispat… Patrick McManus
- Re: [dispatch] Dispatch of SFrame for End-To-End … Ben Campbell
- Re: [dispatch] Dispatch of SFrame for End-To-End … Emad Omara
- Re: [dispatch] [Sframe] Request session at IETF 1… Richard Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] [Sframe] Dispatch of SFrame for En… Richard Barnes
- Re: [dispatch] Dispatch of SFrame for End-To-End … Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [dispatch] [Sframe] Dispatch of SFrame for En… Alexandre GOUAILLARD
- Re: [dispatch] Dispatch of SFrame for End-To-End … Roni Even
- Re: [dispatch] [Sframe] Dispatch of SFrame for En… Alexandre GOUAILLARD