Re: [dispatch] draft-shen-soc-avalanche-restart-overload
worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Wed, 12 February 2014 21:12 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dispatch] draft-shen-soc-avalanche-restart-overload
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> From: Charles Shen <charles@cs.columbia.edu> > I am looking for your kind opinion on what should be the appropriate next > step for this document: > > -- Should this draft be dispatched to SOC (and their charter amended)? > -- Should this draft be processed as AD-sponsored? > -- Should this draft be killed (if it is harmful)? I do believe that this draft should be advanced, as this sort of registration storm causes a problem in practice, though I don't have any opinion on what would be the proper track for it. It would be interesting to know if there have been any large-scale implementations, and what the results have been in practice. In regard to the draft itself, I think a few tweaks would improve it. - Clarify that the Restart-Timer value is associated with the URI that is being registered (for REGISTER) or the URI/event that is being subscribed to (for SUBSCRIBE and PUBLISH). - You may want a more clever way of handling multiple Restart-Timer values received from different servers during a boot sequence that sends requests to several servers (which may be incompletely coordinated with each other). E.g., if the registration server has a Restart-Timer of 300 and the voicemail server also has a Restart-Timer of 300, it seems that the UA could safely wait rand(0:300) then register and subscribe. If the VM server has a zero restart timer, the UA probably wants to wait until the registration is done anyway before subscribing to VM. But if the VM server has a Restart-Timer of 600, there probably should be an additional delay between registration and subscribing. The trouble is that rand(0:300)+rand(0:300) doesn't have the same distribution as rand(0:600), so you may not want to say "Wait a random fraction of the difference between the two Restart-Timers." Perhaps a workable algorithm is "Choose a random real number uniformaly between zero and one. Each bootup operation may be executed no earlier than (the random number) * (the specified Restart-Timer for that operation) seconds after power-up." That causes each server to see the time-distribution of requests that it expects. - The text suggests that the Restart-Timer value expires when the registration expires. ("The validity duration of the Restart-Timer header is the same as that of the corresponding registration operation.") That doesn't work at all, because the power failure may exceed the length of all the registrations. The Restart-Timer value has to be saved until another value is received for that same target. - You may want to allow/require the UA to place an upper limit on the Restart-Timer value. At the least, Restart-Timer should not exceed the maximum registration/subscription duration the UA requests and the server provides. - I expect that you want to require that if a REGISTER response is received that does not contain Restart-Timer, then the saved Restart-Timer value is set to zero. That causes the expected behavior when a registrar that supports Restart-Timer is replaced with one that does not. Dale
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