Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Group
Michael Toomim <toomim@gmail.com> Thu, 26 October 2023 22:40 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Group
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Joe Touch wrote: > Hi, Michael, > > How is this not exactly what all stateful protocols all already do? Sure! Let's distinguish a *stateful* protocol from a *state synchronization* protocol, because these are totally different things. First, not all stateful protocols do synchronization. Consider the stateful protocol FTP: $ ftp exmaple.com ... cwd docs mkd ietf-2023 cwd ietf-2023 These commands change the server state, but don't affect the client state. The client doesn't know what the current working directory is, nor what's on the server's filesystem. A state /synchronization/ protocol ensures (or tries to ensure) that both peers end up with the same state. For instance, a FTP client can download a file from a server: get braid-http.txt ...but if the file changes on the server, FTP has no mechanism to automatically update the client. And if the file changes on the client, FTP does not automatically update the server. And if both client and server change the file simultaneously, FTP has no way to automatically merge those edits. And if the connection dies, FTP does not automatically re-establish the connection and the current working directory—the user has to do all of this manually. Thus, FTP is a /state transfer/ protocol, not a /state synchronization/ protocol, and it happens to do this /statefully/./ / As a rule of thumb, state synchronization protocols tend to have one or more of these keywords in them: - Publish / Subscribe - Notify / Notification - Event, Event Types, State, Updates - Diffs, Patches, Merges - Synchronization See https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4533.html for an example that is currently open in a browser tab on my computer. Michael
- [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Group Michael Toomim
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… Michael Toomim
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… Michael Toomim
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… touch@strayalpha.com
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… Michael Toomim
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… worley
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… Joe Touch
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… Michael Toomim
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… Michael Toomim
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… worley
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… Michael Toomim
- Re: [dispatch] A State Synchronization Working Gr… worley