Re: [dispatch] JSON Canonicalization Scheme (JCS) Proposal

"Matthew A. Miller" <linuxwolf+ietf@outer-planes.net> Thu, 09 May 2019 16:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dispatch] JSON Canonicalization Scheme (JCS) Proposal
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On 19/05/07 15:32, Ben Campbell wrote:
> (as DISPATCH chair)
> 
> It would be helpful to hear some more voices here. Does anyone else have
> opinions? Especially people involved in those side meetings?
> 

As expressed at various sessions at IETF 104, I think this work carries
consequences.  As it progresses, I think use cases need to be discussed
and their consequences considered and documented.

JSON is a simple format, that has and is used for representing complex
things.  JCS is not going to cover all those things by itself.


- m&m

Matthew A. Miller