Re: [Diversity] draft-crocker-diversity-conduct-01

Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> Fri, 29 August 2014 19:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Diversity] draft-crocker-diversity-conduct-01
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Hello Moonesamy,

On Friday, August 29, 2014, S Moonesamy wrote:

> Hi Narelle, Dave,
>
> I read draft-crocker-diversity-conduct-01.  I am not thinking clearly as
> I write this.  Quoting from Section 2.1:
>
>   "The same people from the same education and experience will all
>    too readily bring the same ideas forward and subject them to the
>    same analysis, thus diminishing the likelihood for new ideas and
>    methods to emerge, or underlying problems to be noted."


I don't agree totally with that.

>
> Another problem is if the new people are given to believe that it is
> appropriate to think like the same people.  In other words, what is being
> fostered is a culture which prevents new ideas from emerging.


IMHO New ideas come from young participants or new ideas come from
interaction between different experiences.


>   "Nomcom is itself a potentially diverse group of IETF participants,
>    chosen almost at random."


 Random chosen does not maintain diversity in the Nomcom, because if we
have 10 women per 100 men attendance, and 10 Asians per 100 Americans
attendance, then when randomly chosen we get a high possibility of
getting all Nomcom members becoming men and Americans. I usually prefer a
random choosing with considerations for diversity to ensure increase of
IETF diversity.

AB