Re: [dix] Re: [Ietf-http-auth] Notes on Web authenticationenhancements

Dick Hardt <dick@sxip.com> Tue, 11 July 2006 21:53 UTC

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From: Dick Hardt <dick@sxip.com>
Subject: Re: [dix] Re: [Ietf-http-auth] Notes on Web authenticationenhancements
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 10:53:46 -0700
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On 7-Jul-06, at 1:06 PM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:

>
>> [mailto:ietf-http-auth-bounces@osafoundation.org] On Behalf
>
>> 1) Most sites are not targeted by phishers today, and
>> unlikely to be targeted in the future, so they should not be
>> forced to put in technology for resolving phishing.
>
> This is completely wrong.
>
> Every type of site is targetted by criminal schemes, blogs are  
> currently targets for spam and for dropping trojans onto user  
> machine via spyware.
>
> If I can get hold of a blogger's username and password I can  
> install a trojan dropper onto their site. Blogger has been infested  
> with hundreds of thousands of sites with music backgrounds provided  
> by spyware companies.
>
> There are already extensive attacks against search engines. If you  
> can see the searches someone has done recently you can quickly  
> build up a picture to use in an identity theft.

Just to clarify, phishers are spoofing Google and Blogger to steal  
credentials? If so, I stand corrected.

>
>> 2) Currently the user has NO trusted site or client and is
>> easily phished. Once the user has one trusted software
>> system, then that system can more easily determine the
>> identity of other sites. In other words, the user will not
>> have to build up the full assurance stack with each site, the
>> user can leverage something they already trust to assist in
>> making the trust decision.
>
> The problem is not a lack of trusted sites, it is a lack of sites  
> that are trustWORTHY.

Agreed. Semantics is not one of my stronger skills. :-)


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