Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARCbis WGLC Significant(ish) Issue - Section 7.6

[Dotzero <[e-mail]>]

I agree that the rough consensus landed on "SHOULD NOT" even though there
were some who felt "MUST NOT" was "purer". I was one of those who
(reluctantly) supported "SHOULD NOT". Todd is simply trying to get
consistency within the document to match the outcome that there was rough
agreement on. That is the new issue he is opening and not rehashing the
previously closed issue.

Hopefully the chairs will rule on this so we don't have a previous issue
reopened during last call.

Michael Hammer

On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 2:53 PM Seth Blank <seth=
[e-mail]> wrote:

> I thought we landed on SHOULD NOT, there was strong resistance to MUST NOT
>
> On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 2:48 PM Scott Kitterman <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
>> Okay.  I think 8.6 is the one in error.  You see how this is going to go,
>> right?
>>
>> Scott K
>>
>> On February 29, 2024 7:45:15 PM UTC, Todd Herr <todd.herr=
>> [e-mail]> wrote:
>> >It is not my intent here to relitigate any issues.
>> >
>> >Rather, I believe that the text in 7.6 is wrong, likely due to an
>> oversight
>> >on my part when the new text in 8.6 was published, and I just want to
>> >confirm that 7.6 is indeed wrong.
>> >
>> >On Thu, Feb 29, 2024 at 2:10 PM Scott Kitterman <[e-mail]>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> In what way is this a new issue that has not already been argued to
>> death
>> >> in the WG?  I think for WGLC, we've already done this. We will, no
>> doubt
>> >> get to have this conversation during the IETF last call, but for the
>> >> working group, this strikes me as exactly the type of relitigation of
>> >> issues we've been counseled to avoid.
>> >>
>> >> Scott K
>> >>
>> >> On February 29, 2024 6:54:57 PM UTC, Todd Herr <todd.herr=
>> >> [e-mail]> wrote:
>> >> >Colleagues,
>> >> >
>> >> >I've been reading DMARCbic rev -30 today with a plan to collect the
>> first
>> >> >set of minor edits and I came across a sentence that I believe goes
>> beyond
>> >> >minor, so wanted to get a sanity check.
>> >> >
>> >> >Section 7.6, Domain Owner Actions, ends with the following sentence:
>> >> >
>> >> >In particular, this document makes explicit that domains for
>> >> >general-purpose email MUST NOT deploy a DMARC policy of p=reject.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't believe this to be true, however. Rather, Section 8.6,
>> >> >Interoperability Considerations, says SHOULD NOT on the topic (e.g.,
>> "It
>> >> is
>> >> >therefore critical that domains that host users who might post
>> messages to
>> >> >mailing lists SHOULD NOT publish p=reject")
>> >> >
>> >> >Section 7.6 therefore should be updated to read "domains for
>> >> >general-purpose email SHOULD NOT deploy a DMARC policy of p=reject",
>> yes?
>> >> >
>> >>
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