[dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc-to-historic-00.txt
John R Levine <johnl@ietf.email> Tue, 28 April 2026 17:02 UTC
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From: John R Levine <johnl@ietf.email>
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Subject: [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc-to-historic-00.txt
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2026, Alessandro Vesely wrote: >> Sometimes. My wife and I have forwarding addresses at our universities, and >> I have one at the IEEE (uucp@computer.org.) They all used to handle the >> forwarding >> themselves, but over the years they outsourced it. Yale outsourced to >> Google, Cornell to Microsoft. The IEEE has a strange system where the mail goes to >> Google, is relayed to an IEEE server at AWS, and is then reinjected into >> Google to send back out. >> >> When a forwarder moves, frequently without telling the forward recipients, >> whose job is it to update your users' configuration? > > If the user’s configuration is tied to a stable identifier such as a List-ID, Um, I think it should be self-evident that those forwarders are not mailing lists. R's, John
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- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Murray S. Kucherawy
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Alessandro Vesely
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Murray S. Kucherawy
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Alessandro Vesely
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Todd Herr
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Dotzero
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Alessandro Vesely
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Tero Kivinen
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… John Levine
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Alessandro Vesely
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… John R Levine
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Alessandro Vesely
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… John R Levine
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Douglas Foster
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Tero Kivinen
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Murray S. Kucherawy
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Tero Kivinen
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Murray S. Kucherawy
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Alessandro Vesely
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Tero Kivinen
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Alessandro Vesely
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Tero Kivinen
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Alessandro Vesely
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Murray S. Kucherawy
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Alessandro Vesely
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Tero Kivinen
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Alessandro Vesely
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Tero Kivinen
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Douglas Foster
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Dotzero
- [dmarc-ietf] Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmarc-arc… Murray S. Kucherawy