Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis version 28
Richard Clayton <richard@highwayman.com> Thu, 14 September 2023 01:31 UTC
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In message <CAH48ZfyQzzoKkefEm9M7AQfLAxM+WcanPrzB_xMxRMu-
cZYwgQ@mail.gmail.com>, Douglas Foster <dougfoster.emailstandards@gmail.
com> writes
> The coverage problem is aggravated if we assume rational attackers.
> With a plethora of domains available for impersonation, attackers
> are least likely to use domains that are protected with p=reject.
you have grasped it ... the rational attackers do not impersonate the
protected domains, and the irrational attackers are blocked when they
do; hence the domain is protected and users are not misled
> Therefore the reference model implementation protects an evaluator
> where attacks are least likely, and fails to protect an evaluator
> where attacks are most likely.
however DMARC protects end users who might act on emails that were
spoofed to be from the domain that has been protected
Ian Levy (then of NCSC here in the UK) in "Active Cyber Defence - One
Year On" reported
We have seen the number of messages spoofed from an @gov.uk address
(for example, taxrefund@gov.uk) fall consistently over 2017,
suggesting that criminals are moving away from using them as fewer
and fewer of them are delivered to end users.
Across the 555 public sector email domains reporting to Mail Check,
we are seeing an average of 44.1 million messages a month which
fail verification, with a peak of 78.8 million in June. Of those,
an average of 4.5 million are not delivered to the end users. The
peak in June saw 30.3 million spoofed messages not delivered to end
users.
from which you will see that there are were a number of irrational
attackers, but that the rational ones now found their task harder
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richard Richard Clayton
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary
Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin 11 Nov 1755
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Murray S. Kucherawy
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- Re: [dmarc-ietf] pct flag, Some Gmail comments on… Richard Clayton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Wei Chuang
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Scott Kitterman
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] not demunging yet, Some Gmail co… John Levine
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Jim Fenton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Jim Fenton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Richard Clayton
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Dotzero
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Hector Santos
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Barry Leiba
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Barry Leiba
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Douglas Foster
- Re: [dmarc-ietf] Some Gmail comments on DMARCbis … Hector Santos