Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-08
Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com> Fri, 02 December 2016 20:09 UTC
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From: Lorenzo Colitti <lorenzo@google.com>
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 12:08:30 -0800
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Subject: Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-08
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But you have that problem with IP addresses as well, right? I don't see how "assigning a prefix with certain properties" requires more state in the network than "assigning an IP address with certain properties". On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Peter McCann <Peter.McCann@huawei.com> wrote: > Providing any kind of mobility service for a prefix will require some > state somewhere in the network. It would be great to avoid an allocation > request / response for the prefix, but the state has to be created somehow > before the UE can use the prefix and it has to be reclaimed eventually > after the UE stops using the prefix (which may not be until well after it > disconnects from the current link and moves to another one). > > > > Would welcome any suggestions on how to manage this state. > > > > -Pete > > > > > > *From:* dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Lorenzo Colitti > *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 12:04 PM > *To:* jouni.nospam <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> > *Cc:* draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility@ietf.org; dmm@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-08 > > > > Hi, > > > > I like the goal of reducing network cost by allowing the use of IP > addresses that do not require network mobility, but we should not be doing > this by requesting IP addresses from the network, because this violates > IPv6 address assignment best practices. > > > > Specifically, RFC 7934 recommends that a) the network should provide > multiple addresses from each prefix and b) the network should allow the > host to use new addresses without requiring explicit requests to the > network. This is in conflict with at least this text in the draft, which > says: > > > > In case an application > > requests one, the IP stack shall make an attempt to configure one by > > issuing a request to the network. If the operation fails, the IP > > stack shall fail the associated socket request > > > > One way to resolve this conflict would be to say that the network must not > assign individual addresses, but /64 (or shorter) prefixes. So if the > device desires to use fixed IPv6 addresses, then the network should give > the host a fixed IPv6 prefix from which the host can form as many addresses > as it wants. > > > > I do not think we should advance this document until the conflicts are > resolved. This document is about IPv6 address assignment to mobile nodes, > and we should not publish a document about IPv6 address assignment that > conflicts with best current practices on IPv6 address assignment. > > > > Regards, > > Lorenzo > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 12:56 PM, jouni.nospam <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Folks, > > > > The authors of draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-07 > and draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source have come up with a merged > document draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-08. > > > > This email starts a 2 week WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-08. > > The WGLC starts 11/28/16 and ends 12/12/16. > > > > Provide your comments, concerns and approvals to the email list (and > hopefully also to IssueTracker). > > > > - Jouni & Dapeng > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > *From: *IETF Secretariat <ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> > > *Subject: IETF WG state changed for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility* > > *Date: *November 28, 2016 at 12:51:34 PM PST > > *To: *<draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility@ietf.org>, <dmm-chairs@ietf.org>, > <max.ldp@alibaba-inc.com> > > *Resent-From: *<alias-bounces@ietf.org> > > *Resent-To: *jouni.nospam@gmail.com, maxpassion@gmail.com > > > > > The IETF WG state of draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility has been changed to > "In WG Last Call" from "WG Document" by Jouni Korhonen: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility/ > > > Comment: > WGLC starts 11/28/16 and ends 12/12/16. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > >
- [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-08 jouni.nospam
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Peter McCann
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Peter McCann
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Behcet Sarikaya
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Peter McCann
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Peter McCann
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Moses, Danny
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Moses, Danny
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Peter McCann
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Moses, Danny
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Moses, Danny
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Peter McCann
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Moses, Danny
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Moses, Danny
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Seil Jeon
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Peter McCann
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Peter McCann
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Seil Jeon
- Re: [DMM] WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili… Moses, Danny