Re: [dns-privacy] ENDS0 Padding Profile: Rough first draft

Hugo Connery <hmco@env.dtu.dk> Tue, 01 November 2016 11:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] ENDS0 Padding Profile: Rough first draft
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Hi,

The document looks like a great start.  

You seem to be using 'strategy' (28 times) and 'profile' (8 times)
interchangeably. You may wish to prefer one over the other, or
clearly delineate the difference in meaning.

The list of strategies looks great.  Perhaps you could mention
the "pad the message to the maximum possible message length" 
explicitly as a sub-case of "Block Length Padding".  

I am not recommending it, but it has the maximum "confidentiality"
property (all EDNS messages look identical -- random noise of the same
size). Thus, it probably deserves an explicit mention, in the same
way that "no padding" deserves a mention as it has the minimum
"confidentiality" property.

You spell length as lenght twice in the first paragraph of section 4.5

Regards,  Hugo Connery

On Mon, 2016-10-31 at 22:40 +0100, Alexander Mayrhofer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've posted a first rough cut of a "Padding Profile" draft,
> describing strategies regarding EDNS0 padding size (which we
> specifically did *not* address in RFC 7830):
> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mayrhofer-dprive-padding-profile-00
> 
> It's more like a "strawman proposal" rather than a polished document
> in the current version, but i'm more than happy to talk about it in
> Seoul if we have time. See the full I-D announcement below.
> 
> best,
> Alex
> 
> 
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> 
> 
>         Title           : Padding Profiles for EDNS(0)
>         Author          : Alexander Mayrhofer
> 	Filename        : draft-mayrhofer-dprive-padding-profile-00.txt
> 	Pages           : 6
> 	Date            : 2016-10-31
> 
> Abstract:
>    RFC 7830 specifies the EDNS0 'Padding' option, but does not
> specify
>    the amount of padding to be used in specific applications.  This
> memo
>    lists the possible options ("Padding Profiles"), discusses the
>    implications of each of these options, and provides implementation
>    guidance.
> 
> 
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-mayrhofer-dprive-padding-profi
> le/
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