Re: Inactivity appeal
Thomas Narten <narten@raleigh.ibm.com> Wed, 20 June 2001 16:01 UTC
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To: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU>
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Subject: Re: Inactivity appeal
In-Reply-To: Message from Robert Elz <kre@munnari.OZ.AU> of "Tue, 19 Jun 2001 02:10:52 +0700." <4805.992891452@brandenburg.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 07:53:30 -0400
From: Thomas Narten <narten@raleigh.ibm.com>
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The Internet ADs have reviewed the set of events related to the posting of draft-ymbk-opcode-discover-01.txt to the namedroppers mailing list and the subsequent decision to block discussion of the ID on the namedroppers list. This note requests that discussion of the draft resume on the WG mailing list and notes that one significant issue with the document has apparently been rectified in the just-submitted -02 ID. Background: On June 3, 2001, Bill Manning posted a message to the namedroppers mailing list that included the entire contents of draft-opcode-discover-01.txt. That ID contains boilerplate text that includes the words: > This document is an Internet-Draft and is NOT offered in accordance > with Section 10 of RFC2026, and the author does not provide the IETF > with any rights other than to publish as an Internet-Draft. This > document is a submission to the domain name system extentions > (DNSEXT) working group of the Internet Engineering Task Force > (IETF). At that time, the Internet and other ADs noted and discussed the boilerplate text, and then pointed out to the WG chairs that a document with such boilerplate was not appropriate for discussion on an IETF WG mailing list. There main reason for this is: - The above boilerplate indicates that the contribution is not subject to all the rules in Section 10 of RFC 2026. WGs should not spend significant cycles on documents with such risks, lest they invest cycles working on a technology for which IPR issues are discovered at a later time that should have been disclosed earlier. Furthermore, allowing significant WG discussion of such documents raises serious issues as to whether the IETF is following its own rules for openness. Such an issue could, for example, adversly impact the IETF's insurance coverage. Consequently, the WG chairs were asked to limit discussion on the document. In retrospect, the decision to prohibit all discussion of the draft (e.g., including whether it was relevant to the WG) was too strong. With this note, we request that that WG chairs allow discussion of the draft on the WG mailing list, with the following caveats. The document cannot become a WG document until/unless it is submitted with boilerplate statement 1. Statement 2 & 3 boilerplates do not grant the IETF/WG any rights to produce a followup ID, excerpt text, modify text, etc., as is necessary for IETF WGs to do their work. Note that there have been cases in the past where a document author has included a restricted copyright clause in a document, had the WG invest cycles in the ID, and then subsequently refused to make specific changes requested by the WG, forcing the WG to rewrite a document from scratch in order to avoid copyright infringement issues. This can waste significant time and WG resources and should be avoided. The Chairs and the WG should keep this in mind as discussion takes place. The WG & WG chairs should note that with a statement 3 boilerplate, the author is specifically disclaiming the need to adhere to the IPR portions of section 10 of 2026. This is at odds with the IETF's own stated rules for a WG contribution and is unacceptable for a document for which there is a reasonable expectation that its contents might be incorporated into a WG document. Discussion of such documents on IETF mailing lists should be undertaken carefully and limited to a context that takes into considerations the reasons why statement 3 boilerplate was used and the limitations that implies. Note that the recent submission of a -02 version of the document (posted 6/19/01) contains a statement 2 boilerplate, apparently making the issue moot in this particular case. Thomas & Erik to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body.
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