Re: DNSEXT WGLC: Key-Signing Key (KSK) Flag
Mark.Andrews@isc.org Tue, 18 March 2003 01:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: DNSEXT WGLC: Key-Signing Key (KSK) Flag
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> On Monday 17 March 2003 12:32 pm, Olaf Kolkman wrote: > > > Based on experiences during the recent workshop we came to the > > conclusion that a signer (either the off-line or the on-line, in the > > case of dynamically updated signer) needs to know which key is to be > > used for signing the zone data. This can be done by using a second > > bit. > > > > With this bit and some definition on the behaviour of the signer based > > on the settings of the bit signers can do their work automatically. > > > > The behaviour of the signers given the states of the bit needs to be > > clearly specified. > > > > KSK ZSK > > 0 0 Signers treat this as an undefined state. > > 1 0 The Key is used to sign the apex key set only. > > 0 1 The Key is used to sign all zone date except the apex key > set. > > 1 1 The Key is used to sign all zone and apex key data. > > > > As in the current version of the draft the bit provide operational > > hints and MUST not be used in resolving and verification. > > > > If during the working group meeting on Tuesday supports this idea I'd > > like to modify the draft to incorporate these ideas and push a new > > version in order 1-2 weeks. > > I don't think I agree with this. > > The reason why the KSK bit is a good idea is primarily that is has an on the > wire use. Specifically, with the KSK bit, it is possible for the parent to > query the child in-band to determine from which key(s) DS records should be > calculated. The fact that it can also be used by the signer to > automatically determine which keys are KSKs versus ZSKs might be a nice > thing, but IMHO not the real reason for the bit. > > I agree that both humans and zone signing tools should be crystal clear > about which keys are KSKs, ZSKs or both. But this can be done locally (for > instance, by adding this information to the key file names). I cannot > think of a wire use for the ZSK bit. > > -- > David Blacka <davidb@verisignlabs.com> > Sr. Engineer Verisign Applied Research Remote debugging. If the intent of the key is clear/visble this is relatively easy. Mark -- Mark Andrews, Internet Software Consortium 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: Mark.Andrews@isc.org -- to unsubscribe send a message to namedroppers-request@ops.ietf.org with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: <http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/>
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