Re: DNSEXT WGLC: Key-Signing Key (KSK) Flag

Mark.Andrews@isc.org Tue, 18 March 2003 01:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: DNSEXT WGLC: Key-Signing Key (KSK) Flag
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> On Monday 17 March 2003 12:32 pm, Olaf Kolkman wrote:
> 
> > Based on experiences during the recent workshop we came to the
> > conclusion that a signer (either the off-line or the on-line, in the
> > case of dynamically updated signer) needs to know which key is to be
> > used for signing the zone data. This can be done by using a second
> > bit.
> > 
> > With this bit and some definition on the behaviour of the signer based
> > on the settings of the bit signers can do their work automatically.
> > 
> > The behaviour of the signers given the states of the bit needs to be
> > clearly specified.
> > 
> >  KSK  ZSK
> >   0    0       Signers treat this as an undefined state.
> >   1    0       The Key is used to sign the apex key set only.
> >   0    1       The Key is used to sign all zone date except the apex key 
> set.
> >   1    1       The Key is used to sign all zone and apex key data.
> > 
> > As in the current version of the draft the bit provide operational
> > hints and MUST not be used in resolving and verification.
> > 
> > If during the working group meeting on Tuesday supports this idea I'd
> > like to modify the draft to incorporate these ideas and push a new
> > version in order 1-2 weeks.
> 
> I don't think I agree with this.
> 
> The reason why the KSK bit is a good idea is primarily that is has an on the 
> wire use.  Specifically, with the KSK bit, it is possible for the parent to 
> query the child in-band to determine from which key(s) DS records should be 
> calculated.  The fact that it can also be used by the signer to 
> automatically determine which keys are KSKs versus ZSKs might be a nice 
> thing, but IMHO not the real reason for the bit.
> 
> I agree that both humans and zone signing tools should be crystal clear 
> about which keys are KSKs, ZSKs or both.  But this can be done locally (for 
> instance, by adding this information to the key file names).  I cannot 
> think of a wire use for the ZSK bit.
> 
> -- 
> David Blacka    <davidb@verisignlabs.com> 
> Sr. Engineer    Verisign Applied Research

	Remote debugging.  If the intent of the key is clear/visble
	this is relatively easy.

	Mark
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