Re: Section 5.2 (IPR encumberance) in TAK rollover requirement draft

[Thierry Moreau <[e-mail]>]

In a long post, Ted Lemon wrote:
>
> [... intro and vegetarian restaurant ...]
> 
> So it's not appropriate for you to frame the discussion of the patent on your 
> technique for key rollover in terms of value.
> 

The value in DNSSEC that I refer is from no deployment to some
deployment, and *not* from no specifications/working-code to some
specifications/working-code. The latter is where most of the money has 
been spent so far, in the collaborative mode that you describe.

> [...]
> And frankly the main thing that's prevented DNSSEC from being deployed is 
> people trying to figure out how they can make money from it.   Generally 
> speaking, the answer has been "exclude most domain names, because the owners 
> of those domains can't afford to pay what we want to charge."
> 

There is a cost structure associated with the DNSSEC deployment. The
benefits are accrued to the resolver side, and the bulk of the costs are
incurred on the nameserver side.

> 
> [...]
> 
> The fear that I have, and that perhaps others in this working group share, is 
> that you want a tax on every DNS lookup.   I've seen many people ask, "what 
> is your intention with respect to this patent?   How do you intend to license 
> it?"  You haven't said anything about this that I can recall seeing - please 
> correct me if I am wrong.
>

See http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2005/msg01694.html
and http://ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2005/msg01804.html

Some details might need to be updated, but the main ideas remain.

>
> [... about "the cultural norm of the IETF" ...]
> 

I take good note of this.

> We aren't culturally okay with 
> monetizing mainstream protocols.
> 

However, DNS name registration and nameserver operations is an industry
which is even studied by OECD economists. There is thus a mismatch
between the cultural norm of the IETF and deployment contingencies.

 > [...]

I don't know to which extent your post relates to 
draft-ietf-dnsext-rollover-requirements-00.txt, but anyway thanks for it.

Regards,

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