Re: [DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-nxdomain-cut-04: (with COMMENT)

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Thu, 15 September 2016 08:37 UTC

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Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:37:10 +0200
From: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-nxdomain-cut-04: (with COMMENT)
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 02:33:58PM -0700,
 Shumon Huque <shuque@gmail.com> wrote 
 a message of 146 lines which said:

> The section [appendix A] is attempting to say that it is NOT OK to
> use the SOA record owner name. We could make that clearer.

OK, but I don't see how.

> I would personally be okay with removing this section also. I can't
> recall what discussion happened that caused this scenario to be
> included - maybe Stephane remembers.

This was mostly because I did not get the point at the beginning (I
think John Levine explained it to me). IMHO, it is important to keep
this appendix (not a "real" section) because other DNS people may make
the same mistake as I originally did and ask "why not use the SOA
record to find the NXDOMAIN cut?"