Re: [DNSOP] code points for brainpool curves for DNSSEC

"Patrik Fältström " <paf@frobbit.se> Thu, 10 December 2015 09:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] code points for brainpool curves for DNSSEC
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I have nothing to add to what Ólafur wrote below. I agree with his statement.

   Patrik

On 10 Dec 2015, at 1:33, Ólafur Guðmundsson wrote:

> Stephen,
>
> Sorry for being so blunt below.
>
> The document totally content free as to why this makes any sense in an operational context.
> DNSSEC algorithms should not be given out lightly as there is a significant COST to deploy support for each additional algorithm.
>
> While I strongly support having better ECC algorithm that the currently specified curves, adding a new ones SHOULD take place via a performance oriented process.
> Thus I strongly advocate that this publication be held up until we can compare this curve with other curves being proposed.
>
> Background I'm currently fighting an multifaceted battle to have various entities adding support for ECDSAP256, specified over 3 years ago.
>
> Adding and deploying a new DNSKEY algorithm does not just require changes to
> -- DNS servers, libraries and resolvers.
>
> That is just the top of the iceberg,  but also to
> -  DNS provisioning systems, DNSSEC signing systems, DNS testing tools, - user interfaces for registrars, hosting providers, third party DNS operators, CDN's,  etc.
> - TLD and ccTLD policy documents, EPP implementations, plus in some cases security evaluations,
> - not to mention firewalls, network monitoring tools ....
> and number of other things I had no idea existed and majority of which is not maintained anymore.
>
> There are only so many times that one can get everyone's attention to upgrade DNS stuff, thus requiring the change process to be run should not be taken lightly.
> If on the other hand if the editors are only interested in vanity algorithm assignment without any deployment then ...........
>
> Olafur
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: code points for brainpool curves for DNSSEC
>> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 18:00:18 +0000
>> From: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
>> To: saag@ietf.org
>>
>>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> The brainpool folks have written an I-D [1] that they are pushing
>> through the rfc editor's independent stream. [2]
>>
>> That I-D wants to register code points for using their curves for
>> DNSSEC.
>>
>> For documents that come through the independent stream, the IESG
>> does an RFC 5742 [3] conflict review. The purpose of that review
>> is to check that the RFC doesn't conflict with ongoing work in
>> the IETF.
>>
>> If you have thoughts on this, please let me know before Dec 17th.
>> I'll forward this to the dnsop, cfrg and curdle mailing lists
>> to check there too. Apologies if you get >1 copy of this. Please
>> try follow up on the saag list if you can.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stephen.
>>
>>
>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schmidt-brainpool-dnssec
>> [2] https://www.rfc-editor.org/pubprocess/
>> [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5742
>>
>>
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