Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Updated cheese-shop.
Edward Lewis <edward.lewis@icann.org> Mon, 29 February 2016 15:37 UTC
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From: Edward Lewis <edward.lewis@icann.org>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Updated cheese-shop.
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On 2/29/16, 10:03, "Shane Kerr" <shane@time-travellers.org> wrote: >Ah. So you don't like identifying magic zones (other than in-addr.arpa, >ip6.arpa, .example, .local, ...). Fair enough. What's magic about any of them? In the protocol they all are processed the same. There is no "reverse DNS" protocol, what's confusing is that there is a convention for storing addresses in the DNS. (E.g., myhost.*.foo.bar.in-addr.arpa. is an acceptable domain name. Applications never seriously look it up.) If asked on port 53, name servers will return NXDOMAIN for names under "example." and "local." if those names lack NS sets in the root zone. All magic treatment of those names occur in other software layers. >I don't expect to change your mind but hopefully I understand your >position and can thus disagree with your actual stance. ;) I have no idea why assembling a NXDOMAIN response from cached DNSSEC negative answers is any different if the QNAME is managed by the root zone or is managed by a zone delegated away from the root. The only thing unique to the root zone is that there is no authority that can publish the root zone's DS record, which has nothing to do with the question at hand.
- [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Updated… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Shane Kerr
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Shane Kerr
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… 神明達哉
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… 神明達哉
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Wessels, Duane
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Tony Finch
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Philip Homburg
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Ólafur Guðmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Shane Kerr
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Ólafur Guðmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Ólafur Guðmundsson
- Re: [DNSOP] Fracturing the protocol - was Re: Upd… Stephane Bortzmeyer