Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for: Message Digest for DNS Zones

"Wessels, Duane" <dwessels@verisign.com> Tue, 07 January 2020 23:01 UTC

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From: "Wessels, Duane" <dwessels@verisign.com>
To: Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>
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> On Jan 6, 2020, at 6:15 PM, Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 5) 3.1.2 - This is I believe different than how DNSSEC does it?  If it's the same, then this is fine, otherwise this protocol should be calculating the RRSet wire representation the same as DNSSEC does it.
>> In my experience, duplicates are suppressed either when a zone is loaded or when it is signed.  ZONEMD matches DNSSEC.
>> 
>> 
>> Here's how named-checkzone behaves:
>> 
>> $ named-checkzone -i none -o /dev/fd/1 example.com /dev/fd/0
>> $ORIGIN example.com.
>> @ 60 SOA a b 1 2 3 4 5
>> @ 60 NS ns
>> NS 60 A 192.168.1.1
>> @ 60 A 127.0.0.1
>> @ 60 A 127.0.0.1
>> zone example.com/IN: loaded serial 1
>> example.com.                                  60 IN SOA         a.example.com. b.example.com. 1 2 3 4 5
>> example.com.                                  60 IN NS          ns.example.com.
>> example.com.                                  60 IN A           127.0.0.1
>> NS.example.com.                               60 IN A           192.168.1.1
>> OK
>> 
>> 
>> And in ldns_dnssec_rrs_add_rr() at https://github.com/NLnetLabs/ldns/blob/develop/dnssec_zone.c#L46 you can see at the end that equal RRs are silently ignored.
>> 
> Can you provide a cite?  Not disagreeing - just curious if its been written down in an RFC somewhere.
> 


RFC2181 (cited in ZONEMD) says:

   Each DNS Resource Record (RR) has a label, class, type, and data.  It
   is meaningless for two records to ever have label, class, type and
   data all equal - servers should suppress such duplicates if
   encountered.

DW