Re: [DNSOP] Global DNS architecture changes, "the camel", and so on
Vladimír Čunát <vladimir.cunat+ietf@nic.cz> Tue, 21 August 2018 12:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Global DNS architecture changes, "the camel", and so on
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On 08/20/2018 07:22 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > • Does TCP need to become the norm (particularly for the above use > case)? TCP support is mandatory now, if that's what you mean (or wasn't clear). https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7766#section-5 In particular, for forwarding it actually makes sense to me to prefer a connected protocol, even if you don't really need any "state" between the individual queries, but in any case it's each client's freedom to choose. (I'd go right for TLS in the forwarding case, if provided.) --Vladimir
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