Re: [DNSOP] Mitigation of name collisions

"John R Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Mon, 03 October 2016 23:35 UTC

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From: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>
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>> Gee, I'd think you of all people would be aware that there's more to the
>> Internet than the web.
>>
> ... Did you read the footnote?

Yup.  It sounds like a way to collect vast amounts of interesting 
information that companies had no idea they were leaking.  Not every 
connection comes from something with a user watching a screen.  I wonder 
how many ssh connections are live users rather than rsync cron joba.

I realize that you, Warren, are virtuous and would not do anything bad 
with all of the secrets people fling at your server, but given the reality 
of the TLD ecosystem, how confident are you that nobody else running 
such a server would?

R's,
John