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Re: [DNSOP] draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-01.txt - some comments

Normen Kowalewski <nbkowalewski@gmx.net> Tue, 23 July 2019 06:58 UTC

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Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:57:56 +0200
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Cc: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>, DNSOP WG <dnsop@ietf.org>
To: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-01.txt - some comments
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Rob,

i should have more clearly stated that I also consider this draft and generally agreements on commonly used terms very helpful.

Paul, thanks for writing it.

BR, 
Normen


> On 23. Jul 2019, at 02:55, Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 5:38 PM Normen Kowalewski <nbkowalewski@gmx.net <mailto:nbkowalewski@gmx.net>> wrote:
> Daer Stephane, Paul and DNSOP WG, 
> 
> I think the draft is generally very helpful in navigating the acronyms and abbreviations associated with this space.
> 
> It should be pointed out that "Do53:  DNS over UDP or TCP as defined in [RFC1035]..." is transmitted in the clear, even though I'm sure most readers of this list know that.
>  
> 
> draft-hoffman-dns-terminology-ter-01.txt says:
>       Applications Doing DNS (ADD):  Applications that act as stub
>       resolvers.  This is in contrast to the way that applications
>       traditionally have gotten DNS information, which is to use system
>       calls to the operating system on the computer, 
> 
> This part seemed a bit off to me, although I admit I don't have good alternate text.
> 
> Don't a lot of clients and servers already have userland versions of this functionality, even prior to DoH etc? Sometimes they call getaddrinfo or equivalent, but lots of them have their own cache policies etc. It is true that they usually use the OS-supplied DNS servers by default, though.
> 
> thanks,
> Rob
>

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