Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Coming soon: WG interim meeting on the definition of "lame delegation"

[Edward Lewis <[e-mail]>]

I’ve just come across this message (I have been out a bit recently)…sorry is this is late.

These are suggestions…

For the situation where a (an active) nameserver is not configured to answer a query it received (which is the case where my use of lame delegation comes from), I’d suggest the following more accurate labels:

“out of bailiwick query” - from the perspective of the server, the query is something it can’t answer
“incorrect referral” - from the perspective of the recipient of the answer (= the querier, hopefully) as it was told to go there by some other party (the parent), but it’s a dead end.

For the situation where there is a problem related to the delegation of a domain to a set of nameservers:

“incorrect delegation” or “malformed delegation” or perhaps “some-other-adjective delegation” - a third party view of a situation stated by one party (the parent zone file) and refuted by another party (the collective landing points of the referral).  The latter parenthesized comment is meant to include IP addresses that are not actively hosting something answering on port 53 - in addition to nameservers experiencing “out of bailiwick” queries.

From: DNSOP <[e-mail]> on behalf of Paul Hoffman <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, June 17, 2023 at 5:00 PM
To: dnsop <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Ext] [DNSOP] Coming soon: WG interim meeting on the definition of "lame delegation"

Greetings again. A bunch of you have opinions in this area. In advance of our WG interim meeting on Tuesday, it would be grand if people with opinions would review those opinions and review the threads on the list where other peoples' opinions were expressed. This will make our time together in the interim meeting more valuable.

FWIW, I'm glad I'm not the one who will be deciding consensus here; the chairs will be.

--Paul Hoffman

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From: IESG Secretary <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Ext] [DNSOP] Domain Name System Operations (dnsop) WG Virtual Meeting: 2023-06-20
Date: June 6, 2023 at 7:19:23 AM PDT
To: "IETF-Announce" <[e-mail]>
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The Domain Name System Operations (dnsop) WG will hold a virtual interim
meeting on 2023-06-20 from 20:00 to 21:00 Europe/Amsterdam (18:00 to 19:00
UTC).

Agenda:
## Agenda

### Administrivia

* Agenda Bashing, Blue Sheets, etc,  5 min


### Current Working Group Business

*   DNS Terminology and definition "lame delegation"
   - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8499bis/
   - WG Chairs, Paul Hoffman and Kazunori Fujiwara, 55 min
   - Chairs Action:


Information about remote participation:
https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=7e86a1ea-71f7-40c0-8c34-eb16a1a57a6e



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