Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Status of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis)
Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Thu, 03 May 2018 23:33 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Status of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis)
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> On 4 May 2018, at 9:28 am, David Huberman <david.huberman@icann.org> wrote: > >>> On May 3, 2018, at 3:27 PM, David Huberman <david.huberman@icann.org> wrote: >>> In practical terms, when any type of registry strips away a lame delegation >>> attached to a real, operating network with users behind it, and things break >>> as a result… > > Woody replied: >> But isn’t that, by definition, impossible? What could break as a result of a _lame_ delegation >> being removed? > > Mark provided you with a forward DNS example. Here’s a _common_ reverse DNS example: > > You are the registrant of 192.168.0.0/17. > You setup a single SOA record for 168.192.in-addr.arpa instead of properly defining 128 records > for each /24 reverse zone. > > PTR queries to the NSes will work (for the /17). > > But you’ll fail the lameness checking at an RIR because the RIR checks all zones in the > SOA record, and assumes that if you assert 168.192.in-addr.arpa, that you really meant > to claim authority over the /16. You see the same with forward zones with domain parking. They set up a .com (or root) zone for all the *.com zones parked on the server and break all negative responses as a consequence. -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
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- Re: [DNSOP] Status of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminolog… Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] Status of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminolog… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Status of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminolog… Matthijs Mekking
- Re: [DNSOP] Status of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminolog… Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [DNSOP] Status of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminolog… John Dickinson
- Re: [DNSOP] Status of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminolog… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Status of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminolog… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] Status of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminolog… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Lameness terminology (was: Status of draf… Shane Kerr
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Amreesh Phokeer
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… David Huberman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… David Huberman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Bill Woodcock
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Frederico A C Neves
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… David Huberman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… David Huberman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Bill Woodcock
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Bill Woodcock
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Bill Woodcock
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- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… John Kristoff
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology Shane Kerr
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology Shane Kerr
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology Matthew Pounsett
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology (was: Stat… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology Paul Hoffman
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Lameness terminology Edward Lewis