[DNSOP] Re: Testbed for draft-ietf-dnsop-ns-revalidation "Delegation Revalidation by DNS Resolvers"
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Subject: [DNSOP] Re: Testbed for draft-ietf-dnsop-ns-revalidation "Delegation Revalidation by DNS Resolvers"
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On 25. 06. 25 11:42, Willem Toorop wrote: > Hi Petr, > > Thanks for this. This will also be very helpful implementing the / > scoped/ strict and opportunistic validation (on the roadmap for Unbound). > > Would it be possible for you to provision the name servers for > testiscorg.ch (ns[1-4].as207960.net. ) to send along an agent domain > with an EDNS0 Report-Channel option, so we can test reporting of the > mismatch as well? (as described in the fourth paragraph of Section 3. > Upgrading NS RRset Credibility <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft- > ietf-dnsop-ns-revalidation-10.html#name-upgrading-ns-rrset-credibil>) >> Would it also be possible for you to provision the name servers for the > test domains to send along an agent domain with an EDNS0 Report-Channel > option? To also test reporting to the child domain (even though this is > optional in the draft). Unfortunately these servers are not under our control, it is throw-away test domain. I've poked at possibility of moving it on our own infrastructure but it would be more involved and ran out of time. Sorry! > > I hope so, > > Thanks! > > -- Willem > > Op 28-04-2025 om 18:16 schreef Petr Špaček: >> Hello dnsop. >> >> Here's a little test bed to enable testing the running code (in >> Unbound) and to help evaluating the proposed protocol: >> >> child-bogus-a.nsreval.testiscorg.ch. >> child-bogus-ns.nsreval.testiscorg.ch. >> child-short-ttl.nsreval.testiscorg.ch. >> >> TXT RRs on apex will give you more details about each zone. >> >> Generally, parent and child zones disagree on either NS name or NS >> TTL. tcpdump usage is advisable to detect where queries are being sent >> and at what frequency. >> >> Please e-mail me in case it does not work or something is unclear. HTH!
- [DNSOP] Testbed for draft-ietf-dnsop-ns-revalidat… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: Testbed for draft-ietf-dnsop-ns-reval… Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: Testbed for draft-ietf-dnsop-ns-reval… Petr Špaček