Re: [Dots] [tsvwg] Best transport selection during an attack?
"Eggert, Lars" <lars@netapp.com> Thu, 05 November 2015 01:43 UTC
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From: "Eggert, Lars" <lars@netapp.com>
To: Andrew Mortensen <amortensen@arbor.net>
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Subject: Re: [Dots] [tsvwg] Best transport selection during an attack?
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On 2015-11-05, at 9:58, Andrew Mortensen <amortensen@arbor.net> wrote: > > And in fairness to the authors of draft-reddy-dots-transport, I believe they’re simply aligning the draft with the OP-001 requirement in the requirements draft: > > OP-001 Use of Common Transports: DOTS MUST operate over common > standardized transport protocols. While the protocol resilience > requirement strongly RECOMMENDS the use of connectionless > protocols, in particular the User Datagram Protocol (UDP) > use of a standardized, connection-oriented protocol > like the Transmission Control Protocol (TCP) MAY be > necessary due to network policy or middleware limitations. > > <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-requirements-00#section-2.2> I wanted to make sure DOTS is aware of RFC5405 and its intended successor draft-eggert-tsvwg-rfc5405bis. Lars
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