[Dots] Large asynchronous notifications under DDoS: New BLOCK Option?

mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Tue, 07 April 2020 11:11 UTC

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Subject: [Dots] Large asynchronous notifications under DDoS: New BLOCK Option?
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Hi all,

We are using Observe to receive notifications during attack events. These notifications are set as NON messages for reasons specific to DDoS conditions.

With DDoS telemetry information included (see draft-ietf-dots-telemetry), a notification may not fit one single message. The use of BLOCK2 is not convenient during attack times. A full description of the issue is described here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dots/Gbtf8bBWpxD9CWNBhS_TZtsWeP4/

We are considering some mechanisms to solve this issue. One of them is to define a new BLOCK option (similar to BLOCK2) that does not require the observer to send a GET to receive the next fragment. The server will send all the fragments. The observer will follow a SACK-like approach to request retransmission of missing fragments.

Please let us know whether you think this is a generic issue that should be solved at the CoAP or not. Suggestions are welcome.

Thank you.

Cheers,
Jon & Med