Re: [dtn-interest] Draft DTNRG Philly Agenda...

[Stephen Farrell <[e-mail]>]

Lloyd,

Lloyd Wood wrote:
> At Saturday 01/03/2008 12:23 +0000, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> 
>> I was assuming we'd just have the chat without PPT since we
>> already had a presentation on this before - has it changed
>> significantly?
> 
> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-checksum-01.txt
> 
> Yes, this draft has changed significantly. Good you asked, otherwise the chairs and others might not be aware of this and might not think to read this working group 

This is not an IETF working group. Rather basic differences exist
between IRTF RGs and IETF WGs.

And the sarcasm is neither welcome nor effective. It just makes
you look silly and IMO makes it less likely your ideas will gain
ready (or any) acceptance.

Stephen.

> draft before the meeting. (My fault for assuming you'd read the draft. We had to read your latest security drafts to write it!) There's an important control loop/network performance argument that needs to be presented and discussed.

> 
> I include a copy of your latest agenda below, along with drafts where I know them, which are always worth including in the agendas. Reading the drafts before the talks increases understanding immensely. A discussion without a talk on the issues first, by those who have actually studied the issues closely enough to write them down coherently, to attempt to bring those who haven't up to speed and set the topics for discussion is really not worth having. Well-thought-out written arguments are the starting point for discussion here.
> 
> (The previous presentation in Chicago was on the very different
>  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eddy-dtnrg-checksum-00
> different name, different approach, completely rewritten since.)
> 
> L.
> 
> DTNRG IETF-71 Meeting
> 
> Last changed on 20080301
> 
> Our meeting slot is THURSDAY 0900-1130, March 13, 2008, in the Franklin 5 room.
> 
> We're planning to do some BP/LTP interop starting on Thursday after the meeting slot and continuing into Friday morning.
> Agenda
> Time    Topic   Who (link to slides)
> 0900-0905       Welcome & agenda bash   Chairs
> 0905-0930       DTNRG document status/news/interop plans        Chairs & others
> 0940-1000       Security/Integrity chat         Howard Weiss (tbc)
>                       http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-checksum-01 needs presenting first
> 1000-1010       DTN reference code      Mike Demmer
> 1010-1020       Future reference implementation(s)      Chris Small
> 1020-1030       N4C project     Elwyn Davies/Avri Doria
>                       (related to http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-prophet-00  I'm guessing.)
> 1030-1040       UK-DMC  Will Ivancic
>                       (results from implementing http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wood-dtnrg-saratoga-03 from orbit)
> 1040-1050       Intentional Naming      Pritwish Basu
> 1050-1100       Using HTTP      Lloyd Wood
>                       http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wood-dtrng-http-dtn-delivery-01
> 1100-1110       Telemetry Control Protocol      Mike Petkevich
> 1110-1130       DARPA DTN work  Preston Marshall
> 
>> S.
>>
>> PS: the 20 minutes left over was notional - I'd of course
>> forgotten a couple of slots that'd been requested earlier.
>> Now fixed. [1]
>>
>> [1] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/agenda/DTNRG.html
>>
>> Lloyd Wood wrote:
>>> Stephen,
>>>
>>> A presentation on the bundle reliability and performance issues described in
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-dtnrg-bundle-checksum-01
>>> now it's been written up since the last RG meet as an actual research group item, would be a very good idea. This is important, and needs to be before Howie's tbc discussion. Wes and/or I will present this.
>>>
>>> There is a spare 20 minutes in the agenda below, so this can easily be accommodated.
>>>
>>> (and 'Bill' is Will Ivancic.)
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> L.
>>>
>>> Draft agenda of 29 February:
>>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/agenda/DTNRG.html
>>>
>>> Last changed on 20080229
>>> Our meeting slot is THURSDAY 0900-1130, March 13, 2008, in the Franklin 5 room.
>>> We're planning to do some BP/LTP interop starting on Thursday after the meeting slot and continuing into Friday morning.
>>>
>>> 0900-0905 Welcome & agenda bash Chairs 
>>> 0905-0930 DTNRG document status/news/interop plans Chairs & others 
>>> 0940-1000 Security/Integrity chat Howard Weiss (tbc) 
>>> 1000-1010 DTN reference code Mike Demmer 
>>> 1010-1020 Future reference implementation(s) Chris Small 
>>> 1020-1030 N4C project Elwyn Davies/Avri Doria 
>>> 1030-1040 UK-DMC Bill Ivancic 
>>> 1040-1055 Intentional Naming Pritwish Basu 
>>> 1055-1110 Using HTTP Lloyd Wood
>>>
>>> At Friday 29/02/2008 18:05 +0000, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...now posted. [1]
>>>>
>>>> Let Kevin & I know if you'd like any changes/additions.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Stephen.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/08mar/agenda/DTNRG.html
>>>
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