[E-impact] Re: Moving draft-various-eimpact-arch-considerations along

Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@gmail.com> Sun, 28 September 2025 21:13 UTC

Return-Path: <jari.arkko@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: e-impact@mail2.ietf.org
Delivered-To: e-impact@mail2.ietf.org
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC616A3E923 for <e-impact@mail2.ietf.org>; Sun, 28 Sep 2025 14:13:04 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ietf.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.099
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: mail2.ietf.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail2.ietf.org ([166.84.6.31]) by localhost (mail2.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uE-hnrn23smS for <e-impact@mail2.ietf.org>; Sun, 28 Sep 2025 14:13:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lf1-x133.google.com (mail-lf1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD45D6A3E91A for <e-impact@ietf.org>; Sun, 28 Sep 2025 14:13:03 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-lf1-x133.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-57e36125e8aso3617672e87.2 for <e-impact@ietf.org>; Sun, 28 Sep 2025 14:13:03 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1759093976; x=1759698776; darn=ietf.org; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=KOxKJgCGaFb0f5YPv0RZkRIsIYU4HD72iSvm4Pktoqg=; b=Yl/qJDWdv4WI8o4GbCC7w4xq81FEZVIhYqiLtwXjGWxmSnyNnVNRRDWXLPNRCiz55Q ify0pS/9AssR84Hua72m/grBOEniHZSBK3J+bGg7kecgChoVG0khTZO9h1aPtLycpJcn LEfeH8SCgCZbXm3qeDnEPQh5dlhzxUB9ikFmw4MB/uWKpSVfYg83HSLeDr4do8uAQM6x xnbH2Th3SC+oDHS4Ru2EyhcgDG2/+WWmntiDEuYvvnbIUmGTpJQCwvmHroQehN6CpCX1 Ub1kSuubSznCHvhuAbAPAfFtspP4vcMJOeEW5mVcn2y5vMpo42M20vnQ8TCajcVBJae2 z/aQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1759093976; x=1759698776; h=to:references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:cc:date :in-reply-to:from:subject:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=KOxKJgCGaFb0f5YPv0RZkRIsIYU4HD72iSvm4Pktoqg=; b=bu9kzVH2lf/JP8Fe6Bx3Z2tZ2kfQ6Gf7/Jm37D/8A/ikhwSw5dhPIlsOInT6xv8QfT oEoXZNVjw6OSIKi2fZGGzGMvavI8kPc0BrRdieOCFBA4vll8oSdgZp13gLsIdt/SKxim zVOwXdXnMlSCkFY9mPOZ/XQ839gLAf/jGq+gh4xggxMfprj4fO/89d7GXNhobCyg23NC v3cUEpwmRFUIJLuSiwxH8pzfyHAyr+i+u3xaVMUSdPrLbs4sun3e2rRZnEf7L4RWBtLU W+PI1PMcuHOdl/we6bJsSSyBaQ0cJKrAUpKcPOjZsahNYddfQ3eBpmpd/vaSnYhzU3X2 6feQ==
X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCV24qzSzYfDU1LGjQF+S/XDLHecMlchiLtYDdnmyi5c/sgiLRRZ9BvxCTZodSkmLRw/I84vU+ZnDA==@ietf.org
X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwlMqIdSHiFbu6dfVUblQi3jDCyQmvY4yzN16lmBaQbkXbe/2DC Mjt8a2X/VqxEll1UJVngCZB8R2XHN3702xaXNjNMJA/RslUvN3A3pHEDNO2HOIbF3W0=
X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnctVC6O0Czi++6HeWFfmvUOW3SA/9wy9f6kn3awyRn2Owe5NZ9skUkbAGzI9309 f3JT4DUaC165jFOTVW4fZY/JpiDJQ1aeHJanW2eS2hvm6GWaO9s2ARjh5goS0tCHtEijNKZnjoC JS33e+0cYYJ0KZjZ5XJ4IudJNBU7VcBL4fWzvSRkEIHirSPoZe5pdfG/tBw3Z8q7Tl0sdPIUZv5 wrt5ylXi4KnJXw/v+SO1f+1dBmXhf+vLaI1AV1KbRNi9gaqL9O98K+upBFxB5NUSDoHqyxFVi+0 cxd+1CFcmeMhGUi/IGdnyuOTJmfuyRKXE8to1zTF+cdW7byPaQwmFUJjAF5ozrmnbW1LT/SEE9g 0ZTG9BmwU2OZfY8fLrzna1VOkhNPKsh2H+AOtiBYtfh3aETKfi80+Nh32MkxH7Cs=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFlaRRANGOmawlDKLW4p1b26Scm4OFS1xa86T0C/WLN0/M+wnm6xn7wlIrCap+7L6Ofz9kYVQ==
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3d9f:b0:57e:f60:2330 with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-582d0c289f2mr3761753e87.21.1759093976271; Sun, 28 Sep 2025 14:12:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from smtpclient.apple ([62.4.37.116]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2adb3069b0e04-583173cf7bfsm3650329e87.142.2025.09.28.14.12.55 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 28 Sep 2025 14:12:55 -0700 (PDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51.11.1\))
From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <420605EF-1CDB-4D36-A105-1D387F519C79@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2025 23:12:44 +0200
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Message-Id: <CA8D4804-052A-487D-987D-3660B774F59B@gmail.com>
References: <08C9EAA6-24F2-4286-8C57-3C810F1B2523@mnot.net> <720F83B0-919F-4EB6-9155-D63FA85BEC06@gmail.com> <24E9D8F9-C1BC-466D-B67C-9C834A7A3EC6@mnot.net> <9AC9FC12-86A9-48D2-842D-2EFE95825328@gmail.com> <CCE8A2FE-D104-4EBE-957F-0558609743BD@mnot.net> <00dc01dc2857$0b800f80$22802e80$@clemm.org> <DB4BDC60-8D1F-4A9F-A946-04AC3C194120@gmail.com> <E6F72421-3F17-4CCF-8FCD-27171B254A28@gmail.com> <B5EE04E3-AD2D-4246-9882-9C5F2FF1FE52@gmail.com> <420605EF-1CDB-4D36-A105-1D387F519C79@gmail.com>
To: Carlos Pignataro <cpignata@gmail.com>
X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51.11.1)
Message-ID-Hash: 6XBVPVVG6LHBNJSNOXLZJUWNRBQ3BK6P
X-Message-ID-Hash: 6XBVPVVG6LHBNJSNOXLZJUWNRBQ3BK6P
X-MailFrom: jari.arkko@gmail.com
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
CC: Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com>, Mark Nottingham <mnot=40mnot.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, E-Impact IETF <e-impact@ietf.org>
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6
Precedence: list
Subject: [E-impact] Re: Moving draft-various-eimpact-arch-considerations along
List-Id: Environmental impacts of the Internet <e-impact.ietf.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/e-impact/N7B6hH00sPuS3GPE_SjRjhXYx2E>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/e-impact>
List-Help: <mailto:e-impact-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:e-impact-owner@ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:e-impact@ietf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:e-impact-join@ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:e-impact-leave@ietf.org>

Carlos,

I understand that you have not found the program equally useful at different times or the information sufficient. That’s ok; feedback received, thank you.

I do have one additional wish for all of us though. I’m very interested to hear more thoughts about the does-architecture-impact-sustainability topic, and in particular the present document. While the design team had extensive discussions about the topic, and we’ve had discussion in the RG, more feedback from people we have not heard too much yet would be very welcome. So if you Carlos or others have feedback on the content then let us know! Are the things discussed in the document correctly represented? Are they the right issues? Do we say too much about something? What’s missing, what could be worked further?

Jari