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Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li> Thu, 18 September 2025 02:25 UTC

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Mark,

You’ve said it yourself: if the work can be done by an RG or a WG, then the IAB has zero business doing so.

Yes, the IAB has tried to do technical work before.  Every single time, I have disagreed with the result in its entirety. The IRSG/IETF have a consensus based process that let’s all parties weigh in equally. The IAB process does not. The results end up being skewed, no matter how much input the community seems to provide.

The IAB should stick to its politicking and let the geeks do their job.

Tony


> On Sep 17, 2025, at 6:41 PM, Mark Nottingham - mnot=40mnot.net at dmarc.ietf.org <mailforwards@cloudmails.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tony,
> 
> Could you say a bit more about how this conflicts with IETF work?
> 
> The IAB does sometimes do technical work, depending on how you define that -- at its heart the Internet architecture is technical, after all. I'd also say that many technical matters are inherently political, and artificially separating them or pretending that they're not doesn't serve anyone well.
> 
> That said, there could be an argument that this draft would be better suited to an RG or WG. It'd be useful for the IAB to know whether there were thoughts about that in the community.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
>> On 18 Sep 2025, at 11:01 am, Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2025, at 5:11 PM, Mark Nottingham - mnot=40mnot.net at dmarc.ietf.org <mailforwards@cloudmails.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone else have a perspective or background that would help us determine how best to proceed?
>> 
>> 
>> At the risk of voicing unpopular thoughts: the IAB should not meddle in IETF’s work. Let us do our jobs.
>> 
>> When the IAB starts doing technical work, all it does is to muddy the waters and introduce more politics into technical matters.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> T
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