Re: [E-impact] Agenda for the interim meeting

[Carlos Pignataro <[e-mail]>]

Hi, Suresh,

On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 9:56 PM Suresh Krishnan <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> Hi Carlos,
>
> On Feb 9, 2024, at 8:00 PM, Carlos Pignataro <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Thank you, Jari and Suresh, for organizing and sharing this draft Agenda.
>
> I wanted to share a perceived gap in the Agenda and overall effort. In
> between discussing Administrativia and mapping existing drafts (which do
> not show in the documents
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/program/eimpact/documents/>), what is the
> program goaled for, is it making progress, and what is success? It appears
> that, after 5+ months since the IAB Program announcement
> <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/e-impact/9YhXNheoXYHkLrWFy5p0eK0jo04/>,
> the overall operating model and success criteria for the program would
> benefit from added structure and framing.
>
> Sometimes, it appears to be defaulting to a WG structure, but without
> chartering, milestones, adoption calls, etc. From nits (e.g., are there
> "Co-Chairs" as bylines in the blog
> <https://www.ietf.org/blog/eimpact-program-workshop/>, or "Leads" as in
> the program tracker <https://datatracker.ietf.org/program/eimpact/about/>)
> to substantive issues such as goals and success.
>
>
> Would this interim be an opportunity for the chairs/leads and group
> overall to anchor on the "how" and add precision to progress milestones?
>
>
> IAB programs don’t have milestones like WGs specifically because of the
> unclear nature of the space they are exploring. If you recall the initial
> meeting with the IAB regarding creation of the program that you
> participated in, this was something that was very clearly stated by various
> members of the IAB. If the work that needs to be done is clear it will be
> dispatched to a WG, an RG or if no relevant space exists to a BoF or
> proposed RG.
>

Thanks for the follow-up -- I understand there are no milestones, adoption
call, chartering within the IAB Program, as per the WG definition of those
words. I recall the meeting with the IAB, at which one of my take-aways was
that the IAB Program as a framework or vehicle was still a bit unclear and
somewhat experimental.

Sorry I misused a term with meaning already. Please replace "milestones"
with "Goals" and "Success".

Additionally, the IAB Program does seem to track documents, as per
https://datatracker.ietf.org/program/eimpact/documents/, but those do not
have milestones. Some of the eimpact documents target existing WGs/RGs or
other publication vehicles, but some do not. How does this work as a
document tracking overlay?


> The program exists for discussions, knowledge transfer and to identify any
> missing areas of work that needs to be done.
>

This is useful. Thanks. Is it fair to summarize that, in addition to a
mailing list for discussion and knowledge transfer, the main IAB Program
goal is to identify gaps and dispatch?


> This is what we intend to cover in the gap analysis part of the agenda.
> That said, if there are high level architectural guidance items that come
> up, we can certainly take them up here and add deliverables to publish with
> IAB consensus.
>

Thanks for this as well -- is the IAB program solely publication avenue for
the IAB to publish?

Thanks,

Carlos.


>
> Thanks
> Suresh
>