Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing in Path-Aware Networks
"Azael Fernandez A." <azael@redes.unam.mx> Tue, 09 May 2023 19:17 UTC
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From: "Azael Fernandez A." <azael@redes.unam.mx>
Date: Tue, 09 May 2023 13:17:36 -0600
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To: Vesna Manojlovic <BECHA@ripe.net>, e-impact@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing in Path-Aware Networks
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Hi all, I completely agree with Vesna. The only way in the middle-long term, starting in the short term, is the degrowth in all aspects and activities, including the ICT sector. We have to be concern and work in mind that no single renewable energy source, or a combination of some or all, will provide the necessary energy needs provided now by fossil energy sources. Yes, we have to define a desirable roadmap to decrease the energy use to keep running Internet in a degrowth scenario, that is the only sustainable way to go. BEST _____ Azael 2023-05-09 11:06 GMT-06:00, Vesna Manojlovic <BECHA@ripe.net>: > > > On 09/05/2023 18:11, Dom Robinson wrote: > >> Also ANY ‘de-growth’ strategy needs to be clear about what it is we are >> growing or de-growing. In my mind the limited resource here is energy. >> That is where we should be focussing effort. >> > > Even if certain numbers show that the energy use by big telcos > has been not growing over the last few years, but staying constant - > I am interested in ways that we can *decrease* the energy consumption > (of the whole ICT sector, and of each component): > > - by 10%, yearly, for the next 27-100 years > - by 50% by 2030 > - by 100% by 2050 > > ... or in any other metric / target, that would be corresponding to > demands of the IPCC AR6 Synthesis Report from March this year: > https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/ > > e.g. > https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/downloads/figures/IPCC_AR6_SYR_Figure_4_1.png > > > > My (political, social & economic) suggestion is "degrowth", > and I will elaborate on 22. May at RIPE86: > https://ripe86.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/plenary/ > > Regards, > Vesna
- [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing in P… Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Dom Robinson
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Daniel Schien
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Dom Robinson
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Chris Adams
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Vesna Manojlovic
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Michael Welzl
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Dom Robinson
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Chris Adams
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Rudolf van der Berg
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Manner Jukka
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Rudolf van der Berg
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Toerless Eckert
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Vesna Manojlovic
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Azael Fernandez A.
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Azael Fernandez A.
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Michael Richardson
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Michael Welzl
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Dom Robinson
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Michael Welzl
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Dom Robinson
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Cedric Westphal
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Michael Richardson
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Toerless Eckert
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Manner Jukka
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Dom Robinson
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Rudolf van der Berg
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Manner Jukka
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Jari Arkko
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Hesham ElBakoury
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Manner Jukka
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Dom Robinson
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Vesna Manojlovic
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Dom Robinson
- Re: [E-impact] Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing … Hesham ElBakoury
- [E-impact] Fwd: Carbon-Intelligent Global Routing… Hesham ElBakoury