[Ecrit] earlier comments Re: draft-ietf-ecrit-local-emergency-rph-namespace-00
Janet P Gunn <jgunn6@csc.com> Tue, 18 November 2008 23:21 UTC
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Subject: [Ecrit] earlier comments Re: draft-ietf-ecrit-local-emergency-rph-namespace-00
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Since we are now actively talking about this document, I am resending my earlier comments. I expect they were missed because everyone was in the middle of meeting the ID dead line. Janet ecrit-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 10/27/2008 11:45:43 PM: > > I apologize for not tracking this as closely as I meant to, as these > comments apply to earlier versions as well. > > > This sentence at the end of sec 1 doesn't quite work. > "This document IANA registers the "esnet" > RPH namespace for use within emergency services networks, not just > of those from citizens to PSAPs." (no clear antecedent for "those") > > Perhaps > "This document IANA registers the "esnet" > RPH namespace for use within emergency services networks, not > just for calls or sessions > from citizens to PSAPs." > > Section 2 says > "This document updates the behaviors of the SIP Resource Priority > header, defined in [RFC4412], during the treatment options > surrounding this new "esnet" namespace only. The usage of the > "esnet" namespace does not have a normal, or routine call level. > Every use of this namespace will be in times of an emergency, where > at least one end of the signaling is with a local emergency > organization." > > I don't see this as an "update of the behavior of 4412". Neither > the ets namespace not the wps > namespace have a "normal" or "routine" call level. Every use of the > wps and ets namespaces will > have priority over calls without RPH. > > You say "This > namespace, therefore, MAY be overwritten or deleted, contrary to the > rules of RFC 4412 [RFC4412]." > > It is not clear to me why this is "contrary to the rules of 4412". > It is certainly anticipated > that other RPH will be overwritten or deleted, when the UAS > understands the namespace. > > 4412 says "Existing implementations of RFC 3261 that do not participate in the > resource priority mechanism follow the normal rules of RFC 3261, > Section 8.2.2: "If a UAS does not understand a header field in a > request (that is, the header field is not defined in this > specification or in any supported extension), the server MUST ignore > that header field and continue processing the message". " > > But I do not see anywhere that is says that a UAS that DOES > understand the namespace is > forbidden from deleting it. For instance, sec 4.7.1 of 4412 says > that "the UAC > MAY attempt a subsequent request with the same or different resource > value." This certainly implies the ability to overwrite or > delete an RPH namespace. > > (See also, for instance the PTSC SAC document on the use of the ets > and wps namespaces) > > Immediately following these statements, you give 3 options- > "These proxies in the service provider > MAY either > > o accept the existing RPH value with "esnet" in it, if one is > present, and grant relative preferential treatment to the request > when forwarding it to the ESINet. > > o replace any existing RPH value, if one is present, and insert an > "esnet" namespace and give relative preferential treatment to the > request when forwarding it to the ESINet. > > o insert an "esnet" namespace in a new RPH and give relative > preferential treatment to the request when forwarding the SIP > request towards the ESINet." > > Why do you exclude the possibility of adding the esnet RPH value > without "replacing" an existing RPH value? > > Finally, there is another point that needs to be made clear. At > least one person has contacted me expressing concern that this ID > implied that the esnet namespace would have priority over other > namespaces (in particular wps and ets). I assured him that this was > not the case, that there was nothing prevent the expected behavior - > that the ets and wps namespaces would be prioritized ahead of esnet > in GETS Service Provider networks. > > However, since the question has already arisen, it would be a good > idea to clarify this, perhaps in section 3, where you discuss the > other namespaces. In particular, it needs to be made clear in > section 3.2 that, even if "the local jurisdiction preferred to > preempt normal calls in lieu of > completing emergency calls. ", esnet calls will NOT preempt wps > or ets calls. > > By the way, I think you mean "the local jurisdiction preferred to > preempt normal calls in order to complete emergency calls. " - not > "in lieu of". Or perhaps "the local jurisdiction preferred to > preempt normal calls in lieu of dropping emergency calls. " > > In fact, it is not clear to me that 4412 permits a call with an RPH > (e.g., esnet) to preempt a "normal" call (with no RPH namespace). > Section 4.7.2.1 of 4412 says > "4.7.2.1. User Agent Servers and Preemption Algorithm > > A UAS compliant with this specification MUST terminate a session > established with a valid namespace and lower-priority value in favor > of a new session set up with a valid namespace and higher relative > priority value, unless local policy has some form of call-waiting > capability enabled. " > > It doesn't say anything about preempting a call with no RPH > > Thanks > > Janet > > > > > > > This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, > please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the > mistake in delivery. > NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind > CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit > written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the > use of e-mail for such purpose. > > > "James M. Polk" <jmpolk@cisco.com> > Sent by: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org > 10/27/2008 08:32 PM > > To > > "'ECRIT'" <ecrit@ietf.org> > > cc > > Subject > > [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-local-emergency-rph-namespace-00 > > > > > ECRIT WG > > Here is a update to a ID I think is pretty near done, given that this > is merely an IANA registration ID of an existing mechanism. > > Comments are wanted > > >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > >directories. > >This draft is a work item of the Emergency Context Resolution with > >Internet Technologies Working Group of the IETF. > > > > > > Title : IANA Registering a SIP Resource Priority > > Header Namespace for Local Emergency Communications > > Author(s) : J. Polk > > Filename : > > draft-ietf-ecrit-local-emergency-rph-namespace-00.txt > > Pages : 9 > > Date : 2008-10-27 > > > >This document creates and IANA registers the new Session Initiation > >Protocol (SIP) Resource Priority header (RPH) namespace "esnet" for > >local emergency usage to a public safety answering point (PSAP), > >between PSAPs, and between a PSAP and first responders and their > >organizations. > > > >A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > >http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ecrit-local- > emergency-rph-namespace-00.txt > > > > > > > ><ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-ecrit-local- > emergency-rph-namespace-00.txt> > > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit > _______________________________________________ > Ecrit mailing list > Ecrit@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ecrit
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- [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-local-emergency-rph-name… James M. Polk
- Re: [Ecrit] draft-ietf-ecrit-local-emergency-rph-… Janet P Gunn
- [Ecrit] earlier comments Re: draft-ietf-ecrit-loc… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [Ecrit] earlier comments Re: draft-ietf-ecrit… James M. Polk