Re: [edu-discuss] Is the EDU team ossified?

[SM <[e-mail]>]

Hi Kathleen,
At 04:58 27-03-2013, Moriarty, Kathleen wrote:
>I'm not on the list, but thank you for copying me, SM, when 
>including a summary of what I said at the mike.  While I agree that 
>it is good for people to work through the process, I greatly 
>appreciated one tip I received very early on when I submitted my 
>first draft, "be persistent".  I think it is a valuable message to 
>pass along to people who believe their work can make a difference 
>and are willing to do the work with others.  This also happens to be 
>one of the most common traits of successful innovators.  I'll tell 
>the story of the iterations and updates to the first draft I 
>submitted (not my first FRC) over a drink sometime, persistence was 
>key as was working with people who were interested.

I think that the above is good advice.  I was not persistent.  The 
IETF looked like a select club and it was difficult for me to 
understand how the process worked.

>I also try to help others, especially new people to my WG and 
>different people need different things to stick with the IETF.  The 
>theme of being persistent is one of the pieces of advice I offer, 
>along with guiding them through first presentation (don't worry - 
>comments are not about you, just take every comment as people trying 
>to be helpful to improve your work).  Some need their manager's buy 
>in, so you help there if appropriate.  I'll pan to attend the 
>newcomer's session at the next meeting or would be happy to review 
>content in advance.

I try to meet with all the participants in my working group whenever 
I can.  I give the new people more leeway.  I also try to help new 
people who are not part of my WG.  Sometimes I discover that the new 
person is actually someone with experience who can help the IETF work 
I am interested in.  It is only since the last meeting that I 
actually did something about that.

There was someone (second meeting) who was persistent.  She did not 
seem to have anyone to show her around.  I got her to meet a few of 
the usual folks which might be of interest for her work.  I also made 
a few suggestions which I won't mention on this mailing list. :-)

>Now for edu, I came across a post of someone doing work in .edu 
>related to MILE, but before we spun up our WG following on from 
>INCH.  The work could be very valuable to our overall 
>effort.  Apparently, he tried to bring in a draft when we didn't 
>have WG.  I have some outreach to do now that I found this, wish me luck!

I wish you luck. :-)

I was helping someone from South America and the person told me about 
some discussions in a group in his country which is related to 
SPFBIS.  I contacted the person but I did not suggest bringing in the 
work into the working group as it has a restricted charter.  The 
angle in all this is that there is work out there which I would not 
be aware of if I did not go outside the usual circles.

>My point here is to include "Be persistent" at the start of the 
>newcomers tutorial.  I would be happy to tell my story of my first 
>draft in a session if helpful and I can make it funny.  I am sure 
>there are many other stories that would be helpful to newcomers.

I think that it would be a great story.  It might also help to "break the ice".

Regards,
-sm

P.S. I enjoyed listening to the comment you made at the mic.  It's a 
change from what I usually hear from the mic line.