Re: [edu-team] [vmeet] strawman policy for handling geo-focused outreach: draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities-00.txt

[Warren Kumari <[e-mail]>]

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Alia Atlas <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Here is a draft suggesting how to connect in the various
> geographically-focused activities into the IETF with light oversight and
> considering how various IETF policies should apply.
>
> I hope that it will spur conversation so we can determine the right way
> forward.

Hi there,

I have a bunch of nits and similar for this document. As always with
nits, feel free to incorporate, ignore, spindle , mutilate or fold...


1.  Introduction

   The IETF primarily focuses our activities on plenary meetings,
   mailing lists, and individual Working Group interim meetings with
   Internet Drafts, RFCs, and some structured text or code as
   deliverables.  There has been and continues to be interest in having

[O] There has been and continues to be
[P] There has been, and continues to be,
[R] grammar

...

Some of the motivations and objectives include: 1. increasing
awareness of the IETF's role in the Internet ecosystem, 2.
providing...

[P] I suggest format this list as a list to make it more readable (or,
xml2rfc fail?) . Also, should either start all list items with a
capital letter, or none of them.


These objectives can be summed up as increasing awareness of the
   IETF, doing outreach to encourage new IETF participation, and
   increase technical discussions and cross-learning to encourage faster
   and better technical output.  These are objectives that are in the
   best interest of the IETF.

[P] I don't now why we have that last sentence in the above paragraph.
Seems slightly defensive...

   The IETF works well when organization happens from motivated people
   who self-organize and the IETF can provide support and light
   oversight.  The IETF has an Education, Mentoring, and Outreach

[O]  The IETF works well when organization happens from motivated
people who self-organize and the IETF can provide support and light
oversight.
[P] The IETF works best when motivated people self-organize, and the
IETF provides support and light oversight.
[R] readability



2.  Terminology

   Geographically-Focused IETF Activities  An IETF Activity that is

[O]  Geographically-Focused IETF Activities
[P] Geographically Focused IETF Activities:
[R] consistency with other sections below, and grammar

...

The focus is on growing a local group of people participating in the
IETF and strengthening the professional and social relationships
between them to encourage
[O] between them
[P] amongst them
[R] grammar

      collaboration.

Remote Awareness Hub  An event where video from one or more IETF
[O] Remote Awareness Hub
[P] Remote Awareness Hub:
[R] consistency

...

 IETF Awareness Activity  An activity where "what the IETF is and

[O]  IETF Awareness Activity
[P] IETF Awareness Activity:
[R] grammar


...

  Remote Participation Hub  An activity that is connected to an IETF

[O]  Remote Participation Hub
[P] Remote Participation Hub:
[R] consistency (... and same for rest of list)


3.3.  One-Time Activities

   Some Geographically-Focused IETF Activities may be one-time activity.

[O] may be one-time activity.
[P] may be one-time activities.
[R] grammar

 A Geographically-
   Focused IETF Activity in a particular geography that do not have a

[O] that do not have
[P] that does not have
[R] grammar

   Coordinator identified fall under the One-Time Activity Coordinators,

[O] fall under
[P] falls under
[R] grammar

   even if that activity has or is repeating.  There may be a period
   where it isn't clear that specific Coordinators for the activity
   should be appointed; for instance, it may not be obvious for a year
   or more that the activity will continue to repeat.

   The One-Time Activity Coordinators MUST appoint a Local Coordinator
   for any activity that the none of the One-Time Activity Coordinators

[O] that the none
[P] that none
[R] grammar

   will be attending and running.

3.4.  Appointment, Term of Service, and Transitions for Coordinators

   In general, a Coordinator should be familiar with the IETF and
   preferably be or have been an active participant.  For a new Local
   Community or a Repeating Activity, it is likely that there are good
   candidates for Coordinators.  If not, that may be a sign that the
   health of the activity is in question and more support is needed
   before appointing Coordinators.

   It is not appropriate to assume that a Coordinator will serve for an
   indefinite amount of time.  The Directorate should check in with both

[O] both
[P]
[R] there should be between 2 and 5 coordinators, so using the plural
and deleting "both" will cover that.

   the Coordinators and with the associated mailing lists or activities
   to see how the activity is going and if the Coordinators are
   interested in continuing to do a good job.  The Directorate - and in

[O]  interested in continuing to do a good job.
[R] Um. It seems odd to ask if they want to continue doing a "good
job." -- do we want to delete "good"?


3.5.  Support for Coordinators

   The Directorate SHOULD provide support for Coordinators.  This should
   include the ability for Coordinators to learn from each others'

[O] each others'
[P] each other's
[R] grammar

4.1.  Keeping Attendance Records (Bluesheets)

   In the IETF, there are three motivations for keeping track of whom
   attends a session.  First, there are logistics and tracking the
   health of the associated group; for instance, what size meeting room
   is physically required?  Second, there is documenting whom is

[O] documenting whom is
[P] documenting who is
[R] grammar

   influencing the standards process by participating in the session.
   Third, there is documenting whom is in the room for legal issues

[O] documenting whom is in the
[P] documenting who is in the
[R] grammar


5.  Use of IETF Resources
...

  A shared on-line calendar that at least Coordinators can add events

[O]  A shared on-line calendar that at least Coordinators can add events
[P] A shared online calendar that Coordinators, at a minimum, can add events
[R] readability/grammar

   to is needed.  This will provide a single place to check when and
   where various activities are happening.  Given that many IETFers
   travel for business, it also makes it easy for IETFers to discover if
   there is a local activity happening that is of interest.

6.  Social Media and Communications

   Most of IETF communications activities are coordinated and
   accomplished by ISOC staff.  For Social media, industry media and
   other communication needs the Coordinator should contact
   [e-mail] for an appropriate messaging.  Through ISOC's support,

[O] for an appropriate messaging
[R] I don't know what this means.

   the activity will be better promoted and aligned with IETF
   expectations.  There is an ongoing revision of IASA activities that

[O] IASA -- first (actually, only!) use of IASA, please expand.




W


>
> Regards,
> Alia
>
>
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> Date: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 1:35 PM
> Subject: I-D Action: draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities-00.txt
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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>
>         Title           : Geographically-Focused IETF Activities
>         Authors         : Alia Atlas
>                           Christian O'Flaherty
>                           Harish Chowdhary
>         Filename        : draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities-00.txt
>         Pages           : 14
>         Date            : 2017-07-04
>
> Abstract:
>    The document defines how Geographically-Focused IETF Activities are
>    organized and how IETF policies apply.  It is intended for eventual
>    publication as a BCP but this is currently an initial strawman
>    proposal based upon the existing variety of experience with the
>    experimental activities in this space over the past several years.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-atlas-geo-focused-activities/
>
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