Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New draft: draft-rescorla-istar-recall-00

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 17 May 2019 20:02 UTC

Return-Path: <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: eligibility-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: eligibility-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25D0F120164 for <eligibility-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:02:31 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hlxpd4MQvFbo for <eligibility-discuss@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-pg1-x532.google.com (mail-pg1-x532.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::532]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC10A12015B for <eligibility-discuss@ietf.org>; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-pg1-x532.google.com with SMTP id 145so3767197pgg.9 for <eligibility-discuss@ietf.org>; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tbELpy6gmd0xc1vDoKzPyHEpIVsZW0GhbXkui/3ybMI=; b=Q2ItTED1k3RKdcNL+JufY+TvQxTGUebW9S7Ih6/pe0BhqmyGYAQlFE1Ncl0qq8jgLE ctX83lpXUMZJgRd9fRkDZBcl9muLB2WYI2UOahBl2qjtpXpoWIi2A6A6mAr0quLR4oVP 1oq4XTqoDtWYNZOdG+RH2eniJdYtSjk2iL0/W/IaiWSOTMabxdKYdiyVpbX/dzS5z0/8 u7EK6/+czpuDNvOzU86CmUkV4FRLePHUQAJqjVl8YJGa/ZPGxYmEakC2/6WAwrDPi2KJ P69I2FrUUgwJNCJaznBJu3y6CXnfjmO7kZ7O6WD5lorCCHAxtTYucjvJEKycItqg/fY7 1ihw==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=tbELpy6gmd0xc1vDoKzPyHEpIVsZW0GhbXkui/3ybMI=; b=NbHVM1iJBZl/KkYhc4A+Hzck+jHl1C0opaoMsB6i7EUC+xIVlMFn5xymx3y1btPs1I klPFwzAaIXJexfAXGkpY3dh95UuPOS9fuXOyyrr3leT2WUcg0wHTszOPBwOzQj+bP6rx UbUGBEN/GylcYwSmU8QXWkl4yJb9PZYUxOwh2BeTBCQHNv5hCGyp8FVYAVnegRW7P+kU zcydC5Rj3uiy+BKKW4Cvhxc2sBVUhJG1M2vEt+1wm+3puVoR44tiW9H5UsUAFJdJfegP biOIifCHUjT5Py9tFSDZMU7y6qXnn3LPV+TaIH17ixZUGv6jYxhPiqb7sZuG82ygIz6g 0v4A==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVj8d0Fh+qERmbTYATDzNx+HGFO55BqqBcU7ktKyXtSy84WgrkX UWYHPKLsMPrUKovWk6UeHj1LRUmWMVc=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzqt8v5qvx4Ry1PHxeB7LvgZKgU6Y4TWOxBcxoLy1SIQ3ZB5fQeXLds5f2nXLj3VWtGqnsm+A==
X-Received: by 2002:a63:78cf:: with SMTP id t198mr21882745pgc.82.1558123347898; Fri, 17 May 2019 13:02:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from [192.168.178.30] (229.129.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz. [111.69.129.229]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k3sm13648802pfa.36.2019.05.17.13.02.25 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 17 May 2019 13:02:27 -0700 (PDT)
To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, Michael StJohns <msj@nthpermutation.com>
Cc: eligibility-discuss@ietf.org
References: <0C4BD2C959F7FC53CAEAC85F@PSB> <d8b5a2e4-aad7-fe1d-6bc7-a4238ec2cd82@nthpermutation.com> <8D3BBA27427075D16A750E60@PSB>
From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69d058aa-b8b2-6b04-6b35-064f02762f14@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 08:02:24 +1200
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <8D3BBA27427075D16A750E60@PSB>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/eligibility-discuss/pQmBpQsYi3ePkUZOzmNAsFAea94>
Subject: Re: [Eligibility-discuss] New draft: draft-rescorla-istar-recall-00
X-BeenThere: eligibility-discuss@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: <eligibility-discuss.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/eligibility-discuss>, <mailto:eligibility-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/eligibility-discuss/>
List-Post: <mailto:eligibility-discuss@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:eligibility-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eligibility-discuss>, <mailto:eligibility-discuss-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 20:02:31 -0000

On 17-May-19 20:15, John C Klensin wrote:
...
> Actually, I'd be happy if removal of any IESG
> member required a supermajority of the IESG and a majority of
> the IAB and vice versa, which (given adequate transparency)
> would eliminate the need for an appeals process and the delays
> it might imply.

Natural justice might suggest that somebody (e.g. the ISOC Board)
should be able to review after the fact that due process was followed,
but apart from that, I agree.

    Brian