Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #89: SHOULD level requirement in 4.2 for servers to use text from examples (rfc5321bis)

Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Tue, 19 March 2024 06:24 UTC

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Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2024 06:23:46 +0000
From: Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com>
To: John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com>, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>
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Subject: Re: [Emailcore] Ticket #89: SHOULD level requirement in 4.2 for servers to use text from examples (rfc5321bis)
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Hi all,
I think we have agreement on this ticket:

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024, at 2:58 AM, John R Levine wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024, John C Klensin wrote:
>>> Garck.  The text in the third paragraph seems clear enough, so
>>> how about just deleting the sentence with the SHOULD ?
>>>
>>> Or if we feel that we have to say something,
>>>
>>>     An SMTP server SHOULD use the text shown in the examples
>>>     in messages where the text is parsed and interpreted by
>>>     machines, as discussed above.
>> ....
>>
>> As a participant, the above seems closer to what we should be
>> looking for but I'm a little concerned that, for those replies
>> that do not require parsing (by machines or people), we would be
>> coming close to "open season, say whatever you like".
>
> That seems consistent with existing practice.  Nobody I know seems to use 
> the text from 5321.

I think there is agreement to either delete the sentence or replace it with the above. 

Best Regards,
Alexey