Re: [Emu] draft-ietf-emu-rfc7170bis-03.txt and password length

Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com> Fri, 27 January 2023 14:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Emu] draft-ietf-emu-rfc7170bis-03.txt and password length
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On Jan 27, 2023, at 7:56 AM, Heikki Vatiainen <hvn@radiatorsoftware.com> wrote:
> My understanding is that the "housekeeping" functionality, or any
> other variation of multi-round inner password authentication, means
> that Basic-Password-Auth-Req <-->  Basic-Password-Auth-Resp exchange
> is done multiple times before a single inner password authentication
> method is considered completed and an Intermediate-Result TLV and
> Crypto-Binding TLV are needed. I'll need to check the previous
> discussion about filler Intermediate-Result and CB.

  The discussion was that every inner authentication required an Intermediate-Result-TLV, and a Crypto-Binding TLV.

> When strictly reading the RFC and draft, it doesn't talk about
> multi-round inner password authentication, but I guess this is
> supported?

  It mentions multiple rounds of password authentication.  I'll add text on permitting use-cases like "password + OTP" as separate rounds.

  It may be worth noting that multiple rounds of EAP are supported for different Identity-Types, i.e. machine and then user.  I don't think we want to allow multiple EAP authentications for a particular user.

  Alan DeKok.